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Those pics are exactly the kind of experience I want to be able to pass on to my kids and grandkids(no Mike there are none on the way yet)
http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/save-umpqua-wild-steelhead
wild steelhead on the umpqua need our help
How do you know it will have a negative impact? Honest question. Seems like you're making assumptions. Here's some more from the linked-to-proposed changes, that provides evidence that there will not be a negative impact.
"To look at the populations I used a student’s t-test to compare the number of wild STW crossing Winchester Dam while there was a 1/5 harvest (2000/01 – 2006/07) to the number of wild STW when the harvest was closed 2007/08 – 2010/11). There was no significant difference in the number of wild STW crossing the dam (P = 0.629, SD 2138.45 during harvest years, SD 996.55 non-harvest years). During 2004/05 through 2006/07 the Main stem was open to harvest in addition to the harvest on the North. With an ANOVA, the years when both the Main and North were open to harvest, had the highest significance level (P = .084). When both rivers were open, the Winchester Dam counts did stay above intrinsic productivity needs (1,664 to 5,757 returning adults) noted in the 2004 BA of Impacts to Wild Winter Steelhead from the Recreational Fishery report. When the Main was open to a 1 and 5 harvest, from 49% to 66% of the wild STW harvested were harvested from the Mainstem. Wild STW counts across Winchester Dam from 1990 – 1998 were relatively low when both the Main and the North were open to a 2 per day, 20 per year wild STW harvest. Under this regime there were years when less 5,757 wild adults returned. However, during the last 10 years the average wild counts have been 8,723."
From 2000 to 2007 there were an average of 8,504 wild fish across the dam each year, when harvest was allowed.
From 2007 to 2011 there were an average of 8,979 wild fish across the dam each year, when harvest was not allowed.
Lean up on some population dynamics Brandon. It's not so simple that 8,000 wild fish - 500 fish = 7,500 returning down the road. Populations have different growth rates under different densities.
B.S.!!!!!!
Probably one of the heathiest native winter steelehad runs on the west coast! :think: Last year the count was over 14,000 fish! Historically the fish returns remain constant and stable regardless of harvest. It's more a question of habitat and escapement! Plenty of broodstock for reproduction! The fish counts at Winchester have that well documented....it's called "sustainable harvest" and the brotherhood of catch and release'rs know it! :think: Don't drink the cool-aid of a well-to-do special interest group, they don't like to share!
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thats what i was thinkin to.
i know mortality is a part of fishing i dont know why people keep going on about that crap im not a retard. it's greedy people wanting to bonk natives when there are plenty hatchery fish around that doesn't make any sense to me.
I love how people slam ODFW. You do know that there are very smart people making decisions there right? Marine Biologists with Masters and PHDs handling the sustainability side of things, and smart businessmen with MBAs creating a balance that creates revenue to fund hatcheries and other operations while keeping the fish runs alive, as well as recover from the disaster that happened for about a century and decimated our rivers.
Here's the director's bio:
Director, Roy Elicker
Elicker, 57, has worked for ODFW since 1993 when he was hired as a Watershed Health Program Coordinator. Other positions held include Fish Screening Program Manager, Fish Division Deputy Administrator, Legislative Coordinator, and Deputy Director for Fish and Wildlife Programs. He was appointed Director on August 3, 2007 after serving as Acting Director on two separate occasions.
Elicker serves on numerous national organizations. He is Chair of the Western Association of Fish and Wildlife Agencies Ad Hoc Lead Group, and is currently serving a two-year term on the federal Sports Fishing and Boating Partnership Council. He is also the Oregon Commissioner for the Pacific Salmon Commission which deals with salmon harvest and jurisdictional issues between the United States and Canada.
An avid duck hunter and outdoor enthusiast, Elicker earned a Master’s Degree in wildlife biology from Rutgers University in 1982 and an environmental law degree from Lewis and Clark College Northwest School of Law.
Sorry if this offends some of you, but I'm going to trust what this guy and his peers come up with more than drivel spouted on an internet message board by some weekend warriors.
If you really want to make a difference, if your goal is to kill any retention of any wild fish anywhere in Oregon, then study up. Finish high school if you haven't. Go to college. Get a advanced degree. Elicker has a Masters AND a Law degree. If you want to be the next Roy Elicker then education is the way to go.
There are a few people on here who are in the process of attaining a degree from Oregon State with a focus on Marine Biology, Forestry, or something along those lines. Talk to them. See how they like it. Ask them to mentor you if it's something you might be interested in. But don't spout off about something that you know very little about. BTW, this is not directed at any one single person but pretty much anybody who thinks that they know more than the experts at ODFW.
I love how people slam ODFW. You do know that there are very smart people making decisions there right? Marine Biologists with Masters and PHDs handling the sustainability side of things, and smart businessmen with MBAs creating a balance that creates revenue to fund hatcheries and other operations while keeping the fish runs alive, as well as recover from the disaster that happened for about a century and decimated our rivers.
Here's the director's bio:
Director, Roy Elicker
Elicker, 57, has worked for ODFW since 1993 when he was hired as a Watershed Health Program Coordinator. Other positions held include Fish Screening Program Manager, Fish Division Deputy Administrator, Legislative Coordinator, and Deputy Director for Fish and Wildlife Programs. He was appointed Director on August 3, 2007 after serving as Acting Director on two separate occasions.
Elicker serves on numerous national organizations. He is Chair of the Western Association of Fish and Wildlife Agencies Ad Hoc Lead Group, and is currently serving a two-year term on the federal Sports Fishing and Boating Partnership Council. He is also the Oregon Commissioner for the Pacific Salmon Commission which deals with salmon harvest and jurisdictional issues between the United States and Canada.
An avid duck hunter and outdoor enthusiast, Elicker earned a Master’s Degree in wildlife biology from Rutgers University in 1982 and an environmental law degree from Lewis and Clark College Northwest School of Law.
Sorry if this offends some of you, but I'm going to trust what this guy and his peers come up with more than drivel spouted on an internet message board by some weekend warriors.
If you really want to make a difference, if your goal is to kill any retention of any wild fish anywhere in Oregon, then study up. Finish high school if you haven't. Go to college. Get a advanced degree. Elicker has a Masters AND a Law degree. If you want to be the next Roy Elicker then education is the way to go.
There are a few people on here who are in the process of attaining a degree from Oregon State with a focus on Marine Biology, Forestry, or something along those lines. Talk to them. See how they like it. Ask them to mentor you if it's something you might be interested in. But don't spout off about something that you know very little about. BTW, this is not directed at any one single person but pretty much anybody who thinks that they know more than the experts at ODFW.
I love how people slam ODFW. You do know that there are very smart people making decisions there right? Marine Biologists with Masters and PHDs handling the sustainability side of things, and smart businessmen with MBAs creating a balance that creates revenue to fund hatcheries and other operations while keeping the fish runs alive, as well as recover from the disaster that happened for about a century and decimated our rivers.
Here's the director's bio:
Director, Roy Elicker
Elicker, 57, has worked for ODFW since 1993 when he was hired as a Watershed Health Program Coordinator. Other positions held include Fish Screening Program Manager, Fish Division Deputy Administrator, Legislative Coordinator, and Deputy Director for Fish and Wildlife Programs. He was appointed Director on August 3, 2007 after serving as Acting Director on two separate occasions.
Elicker serves on numerous national organizations. He is Chair of the Western Association of Fish and Wildlife Agencies Ad Hoc Lead Group, and is currently serving a two-year term on the federal Sports Fishing and Boating Partnership Council. He is also the Oregon Commissioner for the Pacific Salmon Commission which deals with salmon harvest and jurisdictional issues between the United States and Canada.
An avid duck hunter and outdoor enthusiast, Elicker earned a Master’s Degree in wildlife biology from Rutgers University in 1982 and an environmental law degree from Lewis and Clark College Northwest School of Law.
Sorry if this offends some of you, but I'm going to trust what this guy and his peers come up with more than drivel spouted on an internet message board by some weekend warriors.
If you really want to make a difference, if your goal is to kill any retention of any wild fish anywhere in Oregon, then study up. Finish high school if you haven't. Go to college. Get a advanced degree. Elicker has a Masters AND a Law degree. If you want to be the next Roy Elicker then education is the way to go.
There are a few people on here who are in the process of attaining a degree from Oregon State with a focus on Marine Biology, Forestry, or something along those lines. Talk to them. See how they like it. Ask them to mentor you if it's something you might be interested in. But don't spout off about something that you know very little about. BTW, this is not directed at any one single person but pretty much anybody who thinks that they know more than the experts at ODFW.
Spirited debate and drama, there is a fine line between the two. If you dont like(the very pertinent issue) thats being discussed on this thread,dont read it! I feel the same way as you, mosd, but sometimes an issue is worth putting in my two worthless penniesDRAMA, DRAMA DRAMA... why i dont post on here much anymore lmao.
I didn't mean to imply that I know better than ODFW, nor do I think they dont know what they are doing. Its just the Walmart politics and the money grabbing policies that ODFW seems to be embracing that make me sick. The only reason I give a sh*t about anything that ODFW does,is because it directly affects the only thing in this world that keeps me from going postal. Just like any natural resource management division of our government,the ultimate goal is to funnel us into chutes like sheep,meanwhile we pay more and more for the privilege of less and less opportunity. You dont know who I am,you dont have a clue what I know. doesn't make any difference,this is a forum, I am simply stating my opinion.Agree or not,no reason to be insulting.I love how people slam ODFW. You do know that there are very smart people making decisions there right? Marine Biologists with Masters and PHDs handling the sustainability side of things, and smart businessmen with MBAs creating a balance that creates revenue to fund hatcheries and other operations while keeping the fish runs alive, as well as recover from the disaster that happened for about a century and decimated our rivers.
Here's the director's bio:
Director, Roy Elicker
Elicker, 57, has worked for ODFW since 1993 when he was hired as a Watershed Health Program Coordinator. Other positions held include Fish Screening Program Manager, Fish Division Deputy Administrator, Legislative Coordinator, and Deputy Director for Fish and Wildlife Programs. He was appointed Director on August 3, 2007 after serving as Acting Director on two separate occasions.
Elicker serves on numerous national organizations. He is Chair of the Western Association of Fish and Wildlife Agencies Ad Hoc Lead Group, and is currently serving a two-year term on the federal Sports Fishing and Boating Partnership Council. He is also the Oregon Commissioner for the Pacific Salmon Commission which deals with salmon harvest and jurisdictional issues between the United States and Canada.
An avid duck hunter and outdoor enthusiast, Elicker earned a Master’s Degree in wildlife biology from Rutgers University in 1982 and an environmental law degree from Lewis and Clark College Northwest School of Law.
Sorry if this offends some of you, but I'm going to trust what this guy and his peers come up with more than drivel spouted on an internet message board by some weekend warriors.
If you really want to make a difference, if your goal is to kill any retention of any wild fish anywhere in Oregon, then study up. Finish high school if you haven't. Go to college. Get a advanced degree. Elicker has a Masters AND a Law degree. If you want to be the next Roy Elicker then education is the way to go.
There are a few people on here who are in the process of attaining a degree from Oregon State with a focus on Marine Biology, Forestry, or something along those lines. Talk to them. See how they like it. Ask them to mentor you if it's something you might be interested in. But don't spout off about something that you know very little about. BTW, this is not directed at any one single person but pretty much anybody who thinks that they know more than the experts at ODFW.
http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/save-umpqua-wild-steelhead
wild steelhead on the umpqua need our help
I love how people slam ODFW. You do know that there are very smart people making decisions there right? Marine Biologists with Masters and PHDs handling the sustainability side of things, and smart businessmen with MBAs creating a balance that creates revenue to fund hatcheries and other operations while keeping the fish runs alive, as well as recover from the disaster that happened for about a century and decimated our rivers.
Here's the director's bio:
Director, Roy Elicker
Elicker, 57, has worked for ODFW since 1993 when he was hired as a Watershed Health Program Coordinator. Other positions held include Fish Screening Program Manager, Fish Division Deputy Administrator, Legislative Coordinator, and Deputy Director for Fish and Wildlife Programs. He was appointed Director on August 3, 2007 after serving as Acting Director on two separate occasions.
Elicker serves on numerous national organizations. He is Chair of the Western Association of Fish and Wildlife Agencies Ad Hoc Lead Group, and is currently serving a two-year term on the federal Sports Fishing and Boating Partnership Council. He is also the Oregon Commissioner for the Pacific Salmon Commission which deals with salmon harvest and jurisdictional issues between the United States and Canada.
An avid duck hunter and outdoor enthusiast, Elicker earned a Master’s Degree in wildlife biology from Rutgers University in 1982 and an environmental law degree from Lewis and Clark College Northwest School of Law.
Sorry if this offends some of you, but I'm going to trust what this guy and his peers come up with more than drivel spouted on an internet message board by some weekend warriors.
If you really want to make a difference, if your goal is to kill any retention of any wild fish anywhere in Oregon, then study up. Finish high school if you haven't. Go to college. Get a advanced degree. Elicker has a Masters AND a Law degree. If you want to be the next Roy Elicker then education is the way to go.
There are a few people on here who are in the process of attaining a degree from Oregon State with a focus on Marine Biology, Forestry, or something along those lines. Talk to them. See how they like it. Ask them to mentor you if it's something you might be interested in. But don't spout off about something that you know very little about. BTW, this is not directed at any one single person but pretty much anybody who thinks that they know more than the experts at ODFW.
The problem with ODFW is the Politics. Decisions based strictly on biology are rare, and the almighty $$$ and special interest groups have much more sway then they should. FWIW I am a fisheries student, and I have had several years of practical experience working on a local fish and wildlife committee.
EDIT:
Thats not to say that local BIO's don't do anything or do everything wrong. Often times they give a biological opinion and salem does what salem wants....
It's about the science, not morals.
...and smart businessmen with MBAs creating a balance that creates revenue to fund hatcheries and other operations while keeping the fish runs alive, as well as recover from the disaster that happened for about a century and decimated our rivers.