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Thuggin4Life
So I just found out that if you have a registered boat you don't have to buy the $5 pemit until you re-register the boat.
Invasive species
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wormosa
yeah yeah....about time we do not get F'edThuggin4Life said:
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koboabe
sadly I have to permit my pontoon this year... 6 inches over the limit. damnit
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Bennicus
The truly bogus thing here is the license is good for the person who buys it not the boat. Does this mean that everybody who rents a canoe or raft will have to buy one or do those businesses get a pass?
Stinks for the people who rent our house in central oregon and want to use our canoes and rafts. Rather than me buy passes for all 7 boats everyone who wants to use them will need a permit and have to carry one on each boat. Super Lame considering only a few ever go anywhere but the Deschutes and that was many years ago to nearby Elk Lake. Looks like i need to replace them all with boats under 10'.
Can I register unmotorized craft like 12' canoes and a variety of over 10' inflatables? Would that get me around having every family member and renter buy a pass for the boats?
Stinks for the people who rent our house in central oregon and want to use our canoes and rafts. Rather than me buy passes for all 7 boats everyone who wants to use them will need a permit and have to carry one on each boat. Super Lame considering only a few ever go anywhere but the Deschutes and that was many years ago to nearby Elk Lake. Looks like i need to replace them all with boats under 10'.
Can I register unmotorized craft like 12' canoes and a variety of over 10' inflatables? Would that get me around having every family member and renter buy a pass for the boats?
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wormosa
the whole thing is screwy, a non motorized boat should not have to do this..... this is B.S.
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TTFishon
I want to know what's the difference between an 8 ft and a 10 ft boat besides 2ft. Are invasive species less likely to cling to my 8ft pontoon than a 10ft one?
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Thuggin4Life
No i think the deal is even the small solo drift boats are 10 ft so thats how they stick it to them guys with drift boats everyone else is just a bonus.
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diggindan
So the permit is for the person using the small boat?
We have 3 kayaks. One is a tandem. If we take another couple out how many permits do I need? :think:
If I take a different couple out 2 days later do I need new permits?:think:
That makes no F--ing sense.
Maybe I should read the propaganda sheet to be sure.
We have 3 kayaks. One is a tandem. If we take another couple out how many permits do I need? :think:
If I take a different couple out 2 days later do I need new permits?:think:
That makes no F--ing sense.
Maybe I should read the propaganda sheet to be sure.
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The Nothing
Each paddler needs a permit. A single person can paddle as many watercraft as he desires, so long as he has the single permit.
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Bennicus
Next up, taxing salmon caught for bringing in sea lice. 4 dollars per fish landed whether released or kept.
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The Nothing
Sounds about right.
and, of course, no bounty for the INVASIVE BASS because it'll ruin sport fishing...
and, of course, no bounty for the INVASIVE BASS because it'll ruin sport fishing...
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dude young
First off, I feel that if any boat/watercraft is required to have a permit, ALL boats/watercraft should be required. Invasive species hitch rides on wc's that move from one water body to another. Anyone going to try to argue with me that a 20' sled sees more bodies of water than, say, a 14' canoe, or a 36' cabin cruiser, or a 16' sail board for that matter?
Bottom line is that, if you use our water ways, you have the ability to introduce/spread invasives. What I like about this law is that it affects sportsman and recreational boaters alike. Jetskis and wakeboarders; cruisers and party barges...
It sucks that it had to happen, but, if you have never seen what things like Eurasian milfoil and Snakeheads can to to a body of water, you can't understand the severity of the situation. Let's just hope the money goes to prevention/education/treatment; as it is intended. :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
Bottom line is that, if you use our water ways, you have the ability to introduce/spread invasives. What I like about this law is that it affects sportsman and recreational boaters alike. Jetskis and wakeboarders; cruisers and party barges...
It sucks that it had to happen, but, if you have never seen what things like Eurasian milfoil and Snakeheads can to to a body of water, you can't understand the severity of the situation. Let's just hope the money goes to prevention/education/treatment; as it is intended. :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
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The Nothing
I'm for it also, but I think the state screwed up on this one. The system is already in place, it wouldn't have been hard to just make ALL watercraft register, motorized or otherwise.
But this isn't the case.
Now I can go buy a motorboat, register it, and let ANYONE use it. But I can't let anyone use one of my kayaks UNLESS they have a permit.
And people don't know ANYTHING about this new law. The state says they'll be educating paddlers about this for the next six months before they start issuing fines. OK. But the NEED TO GET THE WORD OUT.
Today I came across two other guys out enjoying a paddle while I was fishing. They knew NOTHING about the permit. One had just gotten his kayak a month ago, the other had built his. They were both experienced kayakers. Had the state done a better job letting people know about this new law, they would have known about it. There's plenty of new coverage about the new cell phone law, but not this AISPP law.
But this isn't the case.
Now I can go buy a motorboat, register it, and let ANYONE use it. But I can't let anyone use one of my kayaks UNLESS they have a permit.
And people don't know ANYTHING about this new law. The state says they'll be educating paddlers about this for the next six months before they start issuing fines. OK. But the NEED TO GET THE WORD OUT.
Today I came across two other guys out enjoying a paddle while I was fishing. They knew NOTHING about the permit. One had just gotten his kayak a month ago, the other had built his. They were both experienced kayakers. Had the state done a better job letting people know about this new law, they would have known about it. There's plenty of new coverage about the new cell phone law, but not this AISPP law.
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diggindan
I totally agree with all watercraft, regardless of size paying for a permit.
Paying the fee for different people using the same boat is goofy.
Paying the fee for different people using the same boat is goofy.
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Bennicus
diggindan said:
Shouldnt it be up to the boats actual owners to keep them clean? Why make the people who borrow boats pay?
From Oregon State Marine Board Frequently Asked Questions
"Enforcement
This is a Class B infraction with a maximum fine of $242. The objective is not to issue citations but to educate and ensure compliance with the new law."
Of course invasive species are bad and education of boaters is the only solution to the problem. Of course they wold love to issue citations and collect fees. These are facts. Is $7 really going to keep Oregon waters safer? I certainly hope so.
But hitting the pockets of everyone who pays a minimum of attention to the condition of their boat seems silly for 5 heated pressure washers.
Five mobile, hot-water pressure-washer units will be located in Salem, Central Point, Bend, La Grande and the Portland area and will be staffed by workers trained to spot and deal with invasive species.
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Thuggin4Life
So wait for me i have to get it for my boat and don't have to till next year but you can't get on for a boat without a motor like a toon kyak or canoe you have to buy a personal stamp? that sounds silly.
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wormosa
or 4.00 per lice found on each fish... just pathetic, the permits should be per boat not per personBennicus said:
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wormosa
or if you rent a boat and the owner of a boat does not do what he ( as the boat owner) is supposed to and wash his boat , me ( the general public gets a ticket????) this is a jokeBennicus said:
Irishrover
I think we have a government solution looking for a problem. The solution always comes in the form of a tax and more government programs and oversite of our activities. I think we should make this tax retroactive and hit up the Mayflower. I'm not some big conspiracy guy, I just believe that government can be the biggest invasive species of all. In little nibbles they add and increase taxes and absorb your freedoms. There are enough funds there now to do what they say they are going to do with the money from this new tax. To fish out of my 22' boat I need the following:
Boat Registration (Tax)
Trailer license (Tax)
Drivers License (Tax)
Fishing License (Tax)
Salmon Tag (Tax)
Fuel (Tax) truck
Gas (gas tax) Boat
Boaters License (Tax)
Truck registration (Tax)
Shell Fish License (Tax)
If I take my camper (Tax) for it too
New invasive species Tax
Most of the ubove taxes have all increased over the last two years.
Hell you can't even float the Deschutes river in an inner tube without a permit and a life jacket.
I spent 30 years working in government and can testify that there is a great deal of waste. Not all intentional, it just that there is no insentive to save, it's not their money it has no real value.
One very minor example: The agency I was working for was buying packset holders (radio holders) for $54 from Motorola. I found a local place where I could get a better product for $12. I could not belive the hassle I had to go through to save that agency some money. It would have been easier to go with the flow and that's what happens most of the time. If I knew the taxes I paid were going to be put to good use, I'd pay them with a smile. I'm not smilling now.
This rant ought to sovle the problem huh! Lewis and Clark got off easy!
Boat Registration (Tax)
Trailer license (Tax)
Drivers License (Tax)
Fishing License (Tax)
Salmon Tag (Tax)
Fuel (Tax) truck
Gas (gas tax) Boat
Boaters License (Tax)
Truck registration (Tax)
Shell Fish License (Tax)
If I take my camper (Tax) for it too
New invasive species Tax
Most of the ubove taxes have all increased over the last two years.
Hell you can't even float the Deschutes river in an inner tube without a permit and a life jacket.
I spent 30 years working in government and can testify that there is a great deal of waste. Not all intentional, it just that there is no insentive to save, it's not their money it has no real value.
One very minor example: The agency I was working for was buying packset holders (radio holders) for $54 from Motorola. I found a local place where I could get a better product for $12. I could not belive the hassle I had to go through to save that agency some money. It would have been easier to go with the flow and that's what happens most of the time. If I knew the taxes I paid were going to be put to good use, I'd pay them with a smile. I'm not smilling now.
This rant ought to sovle the problem huh! Lewis and Clark got off easy!
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Razz
EDUCATION is the answer .
1 How long will a snail live out of water ?
2 How long will a snail live in a water pump?
3 One snail will become (1million in how long) ?
4 Can my dogs collar transport snails ?
5 Does the lower Rogue River have snail?
6 How hot does the water need to be to kill thing?
Answers
7-10days
30 days
1 year
YES
Yes
130°
The next time you wade in the Rogue or have you dog fetch a stick you may think about snails. I'm just a old guy I will never live to see these things take over. I never thought I would live to see the ocean closed or the salmon & steelhead have a limit of 5-10 per year. Just my take in only 65 years
1 How long will a snail live out of water ?
2 How long will a snail live in a water pump?
3 One snail will become (1million in how long) ?
4 Can my dogs collar transport snails ?
5 Does the lower Rogue River have snail?
6 How hot does the water need to be to kill thing?
Answers
7-10days
30 days
1 year
YES
Yes
130°
The next time you wade in the Rogue or have you dog fetch a stick you may think about snails. I'm just a old guy I will never live to see these things take over. I never thought I would live to see the ocean closed or the salmon & steelhead have a limit of 5-10 per year. Just my take in only 65 years
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