Raincatcher
Sure they do, just like many of us think the ODFW biologist doing this is wrong.
I know it is a hugely emotional issue. Frankly, i dont see that as a problem. When we look at what has become of our once glorious steelhead runs, the desire to protect those that remain from any and all possible harvesting is an obvious reaction. We have a long way to go if we really want to restore our runs and we must do it yesterday.
Kill all the hatchery fish you want. Leave the natives alone, imo.
Sure they do, just like many of us think the ODFW biologist doing this is wrong.
I know it is a hugely emotional issue. Frankly, i dont see that as a problem. When we look at what has become of our once glorious steelhead runs, the desire to protect those that remain from any and all possible harvesting is an obvious reaction. We have a long way to go if we really want to restore our runs and we must do it yesterday.
Kill all the hatchery fish you want. Leave the natives alone, imo.
And what were the populations like at the turn of the century? Im guess much greater. Nothing against modest man but this forum has taught me that everyones posts are to be taken with a grain of salt. When i posted direct information from an experienced high level biologist it was dismissed out of hand
Some interesting numbers there Mad dog. It definitely seems to be pointing out that the habitat has been improving the last 10 years since '01-'10 has the highest 10 year average (although supplemented by hatchery fish).
Mad puppy never misses a chance to be a douche. Here Raincatcher comes along to thank folks for behaving and you go and crap on the thread. Typical
Solid advice right there, They also don't argue like teenage girls, but hey...Man up!!!
It has to be over 17" if you want to hug! Right? Mad dogI knew you would bite Van.....You might as well stick to fishing carp and other suckers....Trash fish!!!
You wear one of those Muslim women scarfs over your head as well when you fish for crap fish.....Man up!!! There's no crying in fishing....real men don't hug when they land a 17" rainbow!
Enough with the hijacking...back on topic, please. :naughty:
It has to be over 17" if you want to hug! Right? Mad dog
Sure they do, just like many of us think the ODFW biologist doing this is wrong.
I know it is a hugely emotional issue. Frankly, i dont see that as a problem. When we look at what has become of our once glorious steelhead runs, the desire to protect those that remain from any and all possible harvesting is an obvious reaction. We have a long way to go if we really want to restore our runs and we must do it yesterday.
Kill all the hatchery fish you want. Leave the natives alone, imo.
So say I'm Mr. roseburg and I love to fish the Umpqua and am a steelhead slaying machine. Last year I fished all winter and had many 20+ fish days. Now this next year I may be able to keep 5 native steelhead. So what happens when Mr. roseburg keeps his five native fish two weeks after the season has started? Is he going to quit fishing the Umpqua and do stuff around the house until winter is over? Nope, he is going to keep fishing and catch and release steelhead for the rest of the winter and the occasional bleeder. All that the harvest allowed was for him and all of the other fisherman in the area to kill five more fish than they would have last year and go back to catching more fish. I say this for those who think that the proposed harvest of five wild steelhead will minimize the overall killing of steelhead from catch related death.Will it hurt the run? Who knows! Will it help it? 100% NO!
Also, there are no rivers in Oregon that are anywhere near their capacity. When ODFW says the stocking numbers of steelhead and salmon are what they are so the rivers are not overpopulated is a load of crap.
There are a lot of rivers where hatchery steelhead ended up not hurting the native populations and that can be seen by many of the Washington rivers that no longer have hatchery steelhead in them. Even 10 to 15 years later the native steelhead stock has not improved. I just don't see why the need to kill them I guess. The run may be healthy but what about in 10 years?
Also, there are no rivers in Oregon that are anywhere near their capacity. When ODFW says the stocking numbers of steelhead and salmon are what they are so the rivers are not overpopulated is a load of crap.