I moved here to Oregon in 2007, so this is my 3rd year trying to catch a salmon, steelhead, or anything bigger then a stocker trout. 3 yrs and zip, well I did hook a couple at waterloo but they actually called in their buddies and they came over and yanked the hook out. its not for a lack of effort, I've tried to come up with a number of hours I've spent at the rivers (mainly the santiams) and I figure 200 is a fair guess. I've used bobbers with a million different types of bait, bait with weight, spinners, spoons, cork and yarn heck I've even used top water poppers that I would generally use for bass, and don't even get me started on hunting black tail here. So I've come to this conclusion, I'm either the worst fisherman ( and hunter) on the planet which I can except due to the laws of probability being on my side now, or my theory on the fraudulent actions of the ODFG are indeed fact.. This is my theory: There are no fish in the rivers and there isn't any deer or elk on this side of the cascades The fish first: I've seen guys catch huge (to me) Chinooks @ waterloo so I figure these are droid or robotic fish that the ODFG have invested a slew of $ in, in order to trick me into the illusion that there are salmon in these rivers. I think the "rowdy bunch" (witch to me are a great bunch of guys once you get to know them) are actually ODFG employees that are trained in secret covert remote control salmon droid operations. I think all the salmon runs were destroyed single handedly by all the meth heads dropping meth or what ever they use into the river when parties were busted up. As far as the hunting, I've seen sign and tracks and 1 buck and a bunch of cows. I think the ODFG employs hundreds of people to walk the wood directly in front of and out of sight of us hunters. as they are walking they drop little pellets everywhere, and o yea they walk in boots with deer and elk hoofed soles leaving the appearance that actual elk and deer were actually there. I don't know what happened to all the bucks and bulls but I'm almost positive Obama had something to do with it. Anyone else think I'm on to something?