troutdude
heres my take on it...
heres my take on it,go to any piece of water that is fly only,and i have many times.no styrafoam bait containers,no wads of mono line in every tree,no lure or jig packages thrown along the ground,its the cleanest stretch of the river hands down.fly guys are just different,we dont like combat fishing we dont like standing arm to arm with everyone and there mother right below every dam in oregon.we dont fish to fill our tags,
99.9% of fly fishermen are catch and release.fly fishermen believe in native,wild fish.
using flies compared to a spinner with a huge treble hook is far more safe for a fish,and has been proven.
Just take the deschutes for instance,right now they have over 3,000 redsides per river mile,,now open that up to bait and you can kiss off that fish population.\
also would like to add as far as i know fly fishermen are the only anglers who advocate catch and realease and wild fish proponents,theres several groups dedicated to this in the flyfishing community but you never hear that from gear guys.
The percentage of D-bag lure/bait guys is way higher than the percentage of D-bag fly guys. I fish quite a bit in a lot of different water easily 70% of the fly fisherman I see are friendly and helpful, at least half the lure/bait guys I see are complete D-bags with no regards for anyone but themselves.
There are jerks everywhere it really makes no difference if you fly fish or if you fish bait.
I see absolutely nothing wrong with setting aside sections of streams/lakes for fly fishing only.
Why does everything have to be fair??? Life isn't fair get over it! I am a lure/bait guy and fish the north coast all the time and have seen the complete opposite.
Why are the gear guys getting so worked up anyways? I was just asking a simple question. I wasn't trying to say anything bad. Maybe feeling a little guilty about the gaffing holes you put into a native fish's mouth? Or that 300 yds of tangled line you left on the side of the stream last week?....... Get a fly rod and hook a fish with it.... You'll never go back.....
That's not so much the case with large number of fly fishermen here on the north coast. Since ODFW opened the rivers for retention it's clear many in the fly fishing crowd have no concept of "limit your kill, don't kill your limit." It's not everyone, but it is certainly a sizable crowd.
Hold on a second, a quick glance of the regs shows the Deschutes is largely restricts bait and allows both lure and fly. How is it then that those evil and vile lure fishermen can exist on the water and yet it's still largely clean and populated with fish? (P.S. your comments in that regard are a prime example of fly fishermen elitism. "Facts be damned, we're better than lure fishermen!")
C&R is commonly touted throughout the lure fishing community, from warm water bass to native trout, to native steelhead. But it's clear that you are ignorant of that fact. On these forums, I've seen on numerous occasions fly anglers belittling others for keeping stocked trout, calling them bucket-heads, and worse. Yet they apparently skip right over all the threads with native trout being released unharmed, and yet despite that, you still feel the need to demonize anyone who fishes with different gear from you.
have u ever fished the descutes,well i have and in the whole time i have ive seen one spinner fishermen as oppposed to hundreds of fly fishermen,for the most part its kept the way it is by fly fishermen,,also i never said vile and evil lure fishermen so dont put words in my mouth..i never said anything about the deschutes being crappy because of lure guys i just oppose bait being used there..as far my comments being prime example elitism you my friend need to get your head fixed,i fish around gear guys and fly guys,my guess is your a lure fishermen well whatever i could care less but your taking offense of something i never said,if your gonna use a spinner in native fish waters use a freakin single hook,like i said i have never heard of gear guys forming organazations to protect native trout,i mean what do you do walk in there with pink and yellow power bait and try to convince people your gonna catch and release a fish properly.so your gonna base your comparisond off a few guys from the north coast,i mean that is being pretty broad dont ya think .im sorry you take offense to people that like clean areas to fish and preserve the nature around them,but you sound like an elitist lure guy so neener neener.
also i never said vile and evil lure fishermen so dont put words in my mouth..i never said anything about the deschutes being crappy because of lure guys i just oppose bait being used there..
Very well said Drew, and I apologize for my part in derailing the thread.