Thanks for all the input guys, I love this site. I bought the D&Gs in the quart jar, $22! It's all they had at fishermans, I will stop at Tillamook bait co. and check that out. I'm curious about the sodium sulfate that livin2fish mentioned, it just so happens the lab at my work has pure ss powder. Here's my thought based on all the advice from this site, the fishermans guy, and a friend, please let me know if this sounds stupid(I am a rookie) put a fresh shrimp tail on a 4/0 hook, wrap it with my crappy D&G eggs and sprinkle some ss on it....??? Is there a degree program for fishing somewhere? = )