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Unfortunately yes I have I figured if that doesn't work nothing will? But I want these fish
I have fished ponds like that in Pennsylvania for about a dozen years and I ended up with four things that worked. First, an unweighted 6" red Mann's jelly worm. I would toss it in and if it did not get bit on the initial drop it would not get bit. A floating rapala site fished. I would throw it almost right on top of a fish and then burn it away with as erratic of a retrieve as possible. Third, a mirrorlure. This was a sinking jointed minnow plug. The key was to twitch it like crazy so that it almost wriggled in place. Finally, an uncle josh pork frog on a single weighted hook. Once again it was fished with continuous series of micro twitches to make it wriggle almost in place. Not sure if any of these will help. The thing is that the ponds I fished were public and received a lot of pressure making the fish quite skittish. It took a long time to refine these techniques. The key lesson is to keep trying, modifying and refining.
Out of curiosity. Have you tried a nightcrawler hooked through the nose with a single size 10 hook fished weightless? This is the one bait technique that worked. Taken from Fishing Facts magazine book "lunkers love nightcrawlers".
Good luck. You are faced with a challenging but rewarding problem.
I have to an extent. I have tried Hoppers poppers and spydeysbut the fly line hitting the water spooks them.