Reel selection..

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Roolinghills
I've been looking for a new reel and I came across a couple "quick retrieve" models that have a multiplier 3:1 ratio. Have any of you/do any of you use one? The first one I saw was a large arbor, clearly labeled for salmon. The other few that I saw were mid and small arbor. Would that be overkill for trout fishing, or just a faster retrieve?

I wouldn't mind updating both of my reels, as the trout and steelhead setups are low-end package models and I wouldn't mind slowly upgrading both.

I have a Remington combo but I can't stand the reel. The rod is good enough for now, but I still prefer the action of my cheaper BiMart combo. The Remington is all plastic and the line's constantly slipping out because the "cross bar" isn't sitting against the plate properly. Bugs the crap out of me.

Went 0 for 1 today on the Willy. Wasn't getting any action using pink so I switched to green and within ten minutes I had a bite. Within 30 seconds there were people parking their cars and setting up right next to me. A little too close for comfort really. Left after about 30 more minutes with no other action. The river was crazy crowded today.. Thinking of heading towards the coast some time during this week. Finished a big job and ready to get some fishing in while I can!
 
F
fredaevans
I'm assuming we're talking fly fishing here. If not the case, the rest below is .. well never mind.

A fly reel serves two basic purposes: A place to store your line, and to balance the fly rod. Next question is do you want a reel with a drag, or not? In the 'not' area thousands of people still fish the 'old' Hardy's that just have a loud 'clicker' and no drag system at all and handle very large fish. Next question is how heavy a reel do you need to counter balance the fly rod?

All of the above is personal taste in equipment.
:>)
 
troutdude
troutdude
If I'm not mistaken, Remington only makes fly rods/reels. So, if that's correct then I'd agree w/ Fred above.

If, however, you're talking about as spinning, or casting reel, I always choose the highest retrieve speed that I can afford. It's also more, or less, a personal preference. And, I see no advantage beyond a higher speed retrieve (that, of course, can be slowed down by it's operator).
 
F
fredaevans
troutdude said:
If I'm not mistaken, Remington only makes fly rods/reels. So, if that's correct then I'd agree w/ Fred above.

If, however, you're talking about as spinning, or casting reel, I always choose the highest retrieve speed that I can afford. It's also more, or less, a personal preference. And, I see no advantage beyond a higher speed retrieve (that, of course, can be slowed down by it's operator).

Read-ing-ton or Remington? Just funning you. Red is Sages second tier of equipment; how they got there is a very interesting "back story."
 
S
steelhead_slayer
I have an okuma integrity and I am not happy with the drag on it
 
R
Roolinghills
Sorry guys, my phone subsituted Reddington for Remington. It's a Reddington package.. bought it on a whim at ****'s. It's nice but it doesn't cast very smooth and the reel is as described.. pretty clunky.

I'm just getting serious about this stuff. I bought the ****'s package and a Bimart special to get going, but after using them I've found some things I do and don't like. The rod that came in the Bimart combo is the best. Feels great, bends great, casts great. The reel on that one is a "clicker" like Fredaevans described, but after a couple hours it drives me crazy. The Reddington came with a drag system, which I like. It's nice to adjust the pull when I'm standing above some ripples. If I need more or less I can let it go with one hand, instead of trying to palm it with the clicker. But I don't like the plastic, the assembly and material of the drag system itself or how flimsy it feels.

I plan on getting in to some backpacking soon, and trout will be the biggest target so I figure a smaller arbor 4/5 would be best? Again, just getting serious about this stuff so all the info gets a little jumbled in my mind. Got an Orvis book that's pretty good, just trying to find myself a nice reel that'll last.

Steelhead_slayer - I'm glad you said that because I was looking at that exact reel yesterday. It looks like the same style drag that came on my Reddington reel. The spring that came with it gets stuck and the tension is inconsistent.
 
T
Trout-tacular!
Not sure if this is what you're looking for but here's my 2 cents on reels:

Echo Ion reel is pretty good for the price and I' happy enough with the one I have for my switch rod. I swear by my Lamsons. Lamson's lower price model, Konic, is well worth the price (IMO) and I'm pretty happy with it. I really like my Lamson Guru and always recommend it but that's a few more clams than the Konic.
 
W
wozniasm
fredaevans said:
A fly reel serves two basic purposes: A place to store your line, and to balance the fly rod.
:>)

Question on "balance". Please clarify the reel balanced to the rod. Since you strip line out for a cast, how is the reel involved?
This has confused me for years that it's important to have it balanced.
 
troutdude
troutdude
wozniasm said:
Question on "balance". Please clarify the reel balanced to the rod. Since you strip line out for a cast, how is the reel involved? This has confused me for years that it's important to have it balanced.

Great question Woz. I like to balance my spin and casting combos. But, how would one balance a fly rod/reel? Is this set up the same way, that I balance my other rods? (by balancing the rod on my index finger, at the top of the handle. if the rod tips up, the reel is too heavy for that rod).

P.S. I thought the word "Remington" sounded fishy <pun intended...LOL>.
 
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wozniasm
troutdude said:
by balancing the rod on my index finger, at the top of the handle. if the rod tips up, the reel is too heavy for that rod).

I can see a spin combo snice that reel is the "pivot point" when you cast but on a fly rod, the pivot point is well above the reel and again, is not used during the cast.
Sure if your reel is very large, it may slow down your cast but it seems it would have to be extreem in weight to actually effect your cast.
To me, the weight of the fly has more impact on the force applied to the cast.
 
T
Trout-tacular!
Here is my take and criteria for a 'balanced' rod (i.e. fly rod and reel). Balance the rod and reel, with some line out of the rod tip (there's some debate to how much; enough to drape the ground a little but no more than 30 feet). Put the rod on your index finger where your forefinger usually is when you're gripping the rod. This point is where your fulcrum point is when you're casting. If the rod doesn't tip up 'or' down the rod in balanced.

Reasons to balance: so you don't tire from casting all day, better casting accuracy, loop control, etc.

I try to avoid the extremes, particularly heavy in the tip.

And as anything with fly fishing, there will be a myriad of opinions. Just thought I would toss mine out there.
 
W
wozniasm
Here's an opinion, a very long opinion I found on the web:
If you talk to any three well-seasoned fly fishers (read ‘old farts with long rods’) you’ll likely get four definitions of balance. Gear needs to be balanced to the conditions in which it will be used, balanced to the fish sought, balanced to the flies cast, and balanced in the physical sense that it has a fulcrum and mass. This last sense of balance in the hand is often overlooked. It’s rarely demonstrated or discussed at shops or shows. That is unfortunate because simple, physical balance can bring an otherwise lackluster outfit to life in your hands.
I once purchased a vintage Wright and McGill fiberglass fly rod, model Sweetheart 2A. The rod was in great condition with cheery yellow wraps and a tobacco brown blank. The price was right. The rod felt powerful when I “waggled” it, and I thought it would make a good bass rod. I brought it home only to be disappointed. The rod felt dead. I just couldn’t get a decent cast going.

In an attempt to find the sweet spot, I tried several lines. I moved from a weight forward 6 all the way to a double taper 8. I tried lines from Cabela’s, Orvis, Scientific Anglers and Rio. It wasn’t until I really thought about the balance of the rod in my hand that it hit me. The rod was sufficiently massive that my lightweight reel made the tip feel heavy no matter which line I used. The actual, physical balance point of the rod was several inches in front of the grip before I even strung line through the guides! That’s when it came to me that poor weight distribution had put undue pressure on my wrist and caused my timing to be off. In an attempt to force the rod to behave I used more “arm” and less body English which resulted in a further loss of power and control. Bad balance made casting this stick a chore and limited my best distance to something under 60 feet. Changing the physical balance turned my sow’s ear into something much closer to the silk purse I’d hoped for.

It’s not practical and sometimes not even possible to try multiple reels with a rod. Even when careful comparison and selection is possible, greater results can be achieved with a bit of fine tuning. Unlike most things in fly fishing, fine tuning doesn’t have to be expensive. In fact, it can be downright cheap and easy! All you’ll need is a spool of lead core trolling line and the factory specifications of your gear. Then work through three steps: calculate the match, tune for the line, and find your grip. In less than an hour you’ll have achieved balance!

Your fly rod, reel and strung line, for best feel and performance, should achieve fulcrum balance at about the point where the index finger of your casting hand grips the cork. If you set the outfit up like this it will feel almost weightless in use, regardless of the actual weight of the gear. Almost every rod has a published weight in ounces. In fact, once upon a time this weight figure actually described the action of the rod. Whether you’re purchasing new or just overhauling your existing gear you should note this specification. Most new graphite rods are very light, and the new reels are generally in a range that works well. Let’s look at a new outfit to start our analysis.

As an example we’ll use a St. Croix Avid 9 foot four-piece six weight. The specified weight of the rod is 3.6 ounces. With that information we can find a matching reel. Let’s say we want to use a large arbor, so we select a Pflueger President. The model 2056 is the right size and weighs 5.8 ounces. Is this a good match? The answer is we need to do more work first…. We need to tune for the line.

AFTMA specifies that a 6-weight fly line bend the scale to 165 grains, or roughly .4 ounces. This is for the first 30 feet of the fly line and is the basis for the line numbering system, something we’ll explore in the next article. To balance the rod you need to account for twice the rod’s length in line, or 18 feet in this example. That adds about .2 ounce to the weight of the rod for a functional swing weight of 3.8 ounces. The remainder of the line and the weight of the backing need to be added to the reel weight, bringing the reel to something over 6 ounces. A good “rule of thumb” is that the loaded reel should weigh 1.5 times the swing weight of the rod. 3.8 X 1.5 = 5.7. Our President reel is a good match and possibly just a tad heavy. This will make the rod feel light and responsive.

Now let’s assume the St. Croix rod and a premium line roasted your budget so you opted for a Pflueger Medalist 1494 instead. This is a great choice. That reel weighs 5.4 ounces. Now your loaded rig is just a bit lighter than the swing weight of the rod. Such a small discrepancy isn’t the end of the world, but it can make the Avid feel just a bit clunky in the hand. If you add one or two tenths of an ounce to the reel you can return it to that quick, responsive feel. This is easy to do – simply remove the line and backing and wind on 30 feet of 28 pound test lead core trolling line around the spool and then put the backing and line back on.

Now let’s find our grip. How does that work? Again, the answer is that this is such a simple thing that it is almost always
overlooked. Start with the reel off the rod and the rod broken down into two pieces. If you have a four piece rod, use the handle and first rod section. Now grasp the rod in your casting hand using a proper casting grip with your thumb on the top of the blank. Note where your index finger lies on the grip and take a bit of tape to mark that spot. Reassemble the rod, reel and line and see if the rod will balance, teeter-totter like, on your finger at the point where you made that mark. If the tip falls down, you need to add a bit more lead core to the reel. If the tip cocks up, you need to remove weight from the reel. Play with the amount of weighting until you get the rod to balance at your index finger with the tip either level to the ground or slightly tip-up (butt heavy). With the rod thusly balanced you’ll find casting to be easy and the rod to be responsive.
With much modern tackle this is a game of subtleties. Graphite and boron are very light materials. If you like to fish with older split cane, fiberglass, or even first generation graphite you’ll find the results to be a lot more volatile. Going back to the example of the Wright and McGill rod above, that rod weighs 5.1 ounces. Using an 8 weight line I need to add an additional half ounce for 30 feet of line, or .3 ounces for the 17 feet of functional line. This brings the swing weight of the rod to a hefty 5.4 ounces. I used a Medalist 1495, which weighs about 6 ounces. I needed about 8.1 ounces of loaded reel using the formula above, which meant I needed to add about .5 ounce of lead core line to the finished rig. To make the rod feel lighter in the tip and more responsive I ended up using nearly 60 feet of lead core on the spool. What a difference a bit of an ounce makes! A once disappointing rod became powerful and much less tiring to cast and control.


And there's a good point in the above - if you have a good balance between your rod and reel, it's all in vain when you add line or change line as well as adding a sink tip....
I can see by the opinion above that balancing in general would make your rod tip seem lighter therefore not tiring your casting arm as much.
 

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