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SemperFly
There are far too many factors influencing actual return of fish for them to make any scientifically grounded estimates. Short of tagging every flipping fish that exits the gate, they have no accurate method to make such a claim. Mark-recapture on the scale they are operating isn't sufficient. ODFW is a political institution that happens to employ some scientists when it should be a scientific institution that spends its time advising politicians. Not all Biology majors were skipping class to get stoned, but I can only speak for myself in this department.they typicaly get the state and the kind of fish right... otherwise its the old dart at a dartboard acuracy level, not bad for all the biology majors who were too stoned at university of montana to make it to class-
just go to change your password then type a bunch of letters in and you wont be able to get into your account,,but my guess is you like arguing back and forth so youll stay around
There are far too many factors influencing actual return of fish for them to make any scientifically grounded estimates. Short of tagging every flipping fish that exits the gate, they have no accurate method to make such a claim. Mark-recapture on the scale they are operating isn't sufficient. ODFW is a political institution that happens to employ some scientists when it should be a scientific institution that spends its time advising politicians. Not all Biology majors were skipping class to get stoned, but I can only speak for myself in this department.
the simple fact is that odfw follows rules mandated by politicians. they do things to protect that fish that decreases tourist profits to small towns and the small towns cry to their elected officials. the officials gripe at odfw to bring in more tourist dollars to small communities or they wont vote for special programs or budget increases. thats the facts of it in a nut shell until the state gets sued to make ODFW a seperate entity not swayed by politics we have to live with it, even then we would have to deal with internal politics.
each section of a zone is ran by a different head biologist the one from newport south to the umpqua river hates hatchery fish so out of 13 rivers they used to plant with hatchery steelhead we now have 3 left with plants and all the money saved went into hiring more administrative people not field workers .
I kind of thought the CCA would fix some of this stuff by pressuring them but I guess they dont do squat just like all the groups that came before them.
sorry to inform you there has been hatchery summer and winter steelhead plus spring chinook and hatchery coho in that river for well over 50 years lol
fortunately the umpqua is in a different biologists area to over see the smith north to newport is the rivers that were stripped of hatchery fish
Crusty
IMFISHING---Beaverfans Dad/Uncle something or other relation is retired from O'stupid and his feeling gets hurt if you say anything bad about them. As far as being the number 3 state agency in the us...Pass what ever you are smoking over here BRO!..No need to bogart. A mear year and a half ago ODFW was given a mandate by the federal govt. to get thier poop in a group or be taken over by the federal govt.
Anyone want to dispute that?...You can't its a fact. ODFW has now started "padding" thier numbers to show that they are back on track....nothing could be further from the truth. The following is a link to last years final tally on the springer run....ODFW Willamette Falls Fish Passage Fish Counts Go to August 15 2010...65,293 springers over willamette falls...total tally for the willamette run...110,536. According to the guys at the hatcheries on the clack and EC no where near that number of fish went into the clackamas. Everyone would have been walking limits to thier freezer daily.....Jay have fun with the shocking conclusion....ODFW LIES!!!!
there are not plenty of native fish they are barely making the broodstock program. the numbers go up and down every year because of the dwindeling numbers of returning wild fish that they are allowed to take.
at one time the siuslaw river recieved 85k in the main stem 40k in lake creek 15k in indian creek and 15k in deadwood creek with an additional 15 k dropped into the north fork of the siuslaw.
there were also additional test groups dumped every year above and beyond each of those numbers i stated above.
now the numbers are siuslaw 50k to 65k depending on if they have enough wild fish to make the brood stock smolts, 10k dumped into lake creek, 0 on indian creek, 0 on deadwood creek and, 0 on the north fork of the siuslaw. all the while the wild fish numbers are continuing to drop removing those hatchery fish did nothing to help the wild fish in this river it was just a boon doggle to free up money so bob buckman did not have to lay off office employees. he in effect ripped off every single holder of a salmon and steelhead tag that fishes those rivers.
we have one field biologist for the area from the alsea to the smith river and almost everything is done by volunteers even the raising of the smolts is done by the school kids in florence and step volunteers. where did all the money go? surely not to the tax payers so they have something to show for their money they spent on licences.
the south valley and central coast gets robbed every time we turn around they took all the coastal hatchery plants and 2 yrs ago they tried to take 2 million of our hatchery springer smolts and give them to the gill netters my suspision is that even though they said publically they decided not to that it happend behind closed doors and we lost them anyway
and to answer your question why not have them in the river? they were there for 50 plus years they should dump the heck out of the hatchery fish so people have something to catch i mean seriously we give them one heck of a lot of money would you rather have no fish that you can bring home at all and still pay the price you do to be able to fish? I doubt it unless your an alfalfa sprou eating hippy of a mis guided yuppie that only fish's because its the cool thing to do.