Very good info guys. I think you saved a fellow "offer" from wasting his money on a product that is no good. I imagin TTFISHON would love to hear what you guys would suggest using. He must be looking for something to use, and we heard there are better products out there, what are they? Heck we all would like to know. Thanks, this is what "OFF" is all about, for sure, Tight Lines, Dan