CHEZZZ - you make a very good point on that. the regulations define plastic and rubber baits as "bait", and all other lures, jigs, spoons, spinners, plugs, etc etc are considered "lures". this is a poorly drafted section in the regs. there are two problems - first, the distinction that the regs makes between the two is not rationally related to a desired policy outcome. second, the distinction is woefully out of step with the actual baits on the market. i suspect that section of the regulations was enacted prior to the emergence of the huge variety in plastic baits. there are numerous companies who make good lures which are part solid plug and part plastic. are those "hybrids" a bait or are they a lure? then there is the even faster growing area of plastic swim baits - some are all plastic, solid or jointed, some are plastic with a metal or fiberglass head. these are just the continuing evolution of swim baits and lures - they are more inventive, have different action when used, etc. did the Department really intend to consider these sorts of things as "baits", and as such, prohibit their use in a lot of places? if so, what was the management benefit that was obtained (policy) by doing that? anyhu, big kahuna is tired. must go moi moi now. til the sun rises tomorrow, adios. t. big kahuna kaimalu