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if the river appears to be handling it acceptably.... per the study... nothing would require being done... have you floated it 16 times? I know someone who has... 10-20% great number, is that what you came up to after helping and participating in the enviromental impact study, or just cool numbers... ok, I pick 13.5-26.7% as my out of my ass science... what does everyone else think...? sheesh, read the ****ing report
The fed has always used a no managment then drastic managment design for everything enviromental.. as per the regs and time line, if someone noticed a problem in the 80's, the fed would have studied it for all of the 90's... shelved and ignored it from 2000-2007, been sued to re-study it in around 2008, half ass through two more years of studies, run out of money,,, spin in a circle, fire the folks who did the study in the 80's.. blame G.W... and then overeact with these regs.... just spit ballin here on this though-No, I read the article posted by the OP, and the posts by users on here. It's not rocket science, if the river is only moderately impacted then the exact percentage reduction (as determined by the study) would be in the bottom quartile, if it's more so impacted, it would be a percentage in the middle half, and likewise for the upper quartile... it's just bracketing the solution space.
All I was saying is that something that requires an immediate 88.6% reduction is amazingly drastic, to the degree that most people would have noticed the problem a long time ago.
To me it has been a progressing problem, but one thing that amplifies the problem is the short boating season, so everyone knows that if they want to go, they have a small window to do so, and it brings everyone in at the same time
Are you asking me how many people boat after and before the 'primetime' to float? To late in the year you end up dragging your boat almost as much as floating your boat. I imagine my groups game plan, like on a few other rivers, is if you dont draw a permit, to hit it just before permits start, IE the day before, or earlier. After season is not a real viable option because of water levels. A lot of people dont like cold, most floats on the JD during 'primetime' use as a social booze cruise, so usually the numbers are not real high earlier in the year either.
They did almost the same to the Rouge River . You can still float the Rouge , but it is like drawing a elk/deer tag . Its a lottery .
Its public . It needs to be open to the public .
Hire river patrols to make sure people adhere to sanitary practices .
Float the river ." Courteously "do camp checks .
Provide "positive" feedback to minor violators .
"Educate" people on resource sustainability .
That would be one prime summer job !
Where do I apply ?
Screw that ,,,,,,,,,,,, its to easy .
If they are old enough to travel to the John Day, they are too old to be educated.River Patrols = Money
Camp Checks = Money
Providing Positive Feedback (seriously?) = Money
Educating People = Money
Sorry, this comes on the heels of the outrage post about the licensing rates. I am not sure that this is the best option, but all of the things you suggest cost money that simply isn't there.
:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:If they are old enough to travel to the John Day, they are too old to be educated.
The money needed for wildlife management is squandered on hordes
of control-freak bureaucrat salaries and facilities, the transit systems they are
attempting to scam us with, and government union pensions that are
totally unsustainable. Oregon is bankrupt, and retread wrecking ball Kitzhaber,
that got the ball rolling, like retread Jerry Brown to the south, will demand
taxpayers in Montana and Texas and Maine
pay for his federal bailout package, while unemployment here moves from
10% to 20%
History is a potent teacher, some things are carved in stone.
This rip-off of a great natural resource is typical of the leftist agenda.
We have a generation, now of voting age, who were indoctrinated into
extreme environmentalism as a religion, yet lack the discipline to pick
up their own trash, and are without the critical thinking skills needed to
maintain a state economy, lacking the social skills needed to raise a family,
and are first in line for tax-payer subsidized benefits, to pad the bumpy ride
once mommies purse has been drained.
2. Cannot coin a phrase for these folks, but they border on the lines of strange to me. Extreme environmentalists, who think the outdoors should only be looked at from a reserve, buy special shoes so not to destroy the earth below them. Get in your face because you have purchased a hunting license, drew a tag, and are harvesting game.