Those things are so far from weedless even 50 lb braid can't save em I have lost 2 so far if it makes ya feel any better. I gotta be puttin in an order soon too gonna have to go with what I got for the weekend . I did manage to hit the grocery store AKA the siuslaw today and scored a 20 lb nook for the BBQ this weekend. will get some pics up tomorrow man these suprise days off for fishin are harder on me than workin. Just sore tired and smell like salmon gonna hit the showers a very happy man .