frodog, I have been wondering how those guns were working for you. I bought a 16 ft fiberform, but I think Im going to keep the valco and sell the big boat. Its a little tight for space, but it always starts, and theres not much to go wrong on it. I put 2 new seats, some new pole holders, a downrigger, a portable fish finder, and an electric trolling motor on it since I got it from you. It leaks a little water, but they all do. Im glad the guns are working out for you. thanks again, Brian