hehe...bigsteel and I were just talking about this last night. He generously gave me some new line (333, I believe) and we were discussing that. Reason is I was having trouble getting the nail knot right. Last night I put the new line on and did 2 perfect nail knots, one from backing to line and line to leader...yay...but in the process I lost a few inches of line, so I think I will take it to Mitch and have a loop put on....By the way, was just out in the driveway playing with my new line...SWEEEEEEEEET!!!! Thanks Dave, your a great friend.