Checking the hooks in the vise, now that's a good idea. Mark was right I overlaid the broken hook on a new hook and the break was right at the barb. I'll use up the hooks I have left and then consider a different hooks next time. HHM yes the good news is I do get those flies to find the bottom. If I don't loose a couple to the rocks I figure I'm fishing too high in the water.:lol: Thanks for the vise idea.