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Hey everyone, I know that this will be a sort of sore subject but it really needs to be addressed. I don't know how many of you have heard of IP13 but you all really should. IP13 is a petition that was sent in by a guy in Portland and what he is trying to do will likely shock a lot of you. In his petition, he is trying to make changes to the animal treatment laws of Oregon which will essentially end all animal agriculture, hunting, fishing, trapping, and all of the industries dependent on them such as commercial fishing, guiding, feed farmers, and processing company's in the entire state. Of course the wording in his petition will not sound as menacing to have more appeal to unsuspecting people who may not know the intentions of the petition and it is obvious from some of the things he said that he has never set foot on a farm or picked up a fishing pole or even done any research into what it takes to manage wildlife or livestock. Wildlife management would basically be destroyed and in the petition he is even trying to get rid of any sort of research of studies that involve animals. He knows that something like this would never pass if everyone knew what he was actually trying to accomplish so he will try to deceive people into thinking that he is only helping animals while he is actually destroying a large chunk of Oregon's economy and heritage. He has gained 1,000 signatures to get his petition into the consideration for the ballot. He will need 112,200 signatures by July 8, 2022 to get it on the ballot for the 2022 ballot. I know it seem unlikely but we really have to be careful because he has made is apparent that he will not stop trying until it happens. On top of all this, he is even encouraging out-of-state people and minors to voice support for him and sign the petition. Not surprisingly, he has the support of other animal right extremist groups but on the good hand, there is a very rapidly growing amount of opposition to this petition from large organizations. Please help to make other people aware of this to keep our hobbies and economy and heritage safe.
-Grant
View changes to the current law here
^the above file contains the proposed changes to the law, Bold text is what would be added the the law and Italic text is what would be taken out of the law.
 
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Good looking out Grant. I recently heard about this from video streams, from Rick Dancer in Eugene (former TV reporter). We need to fight this with EVERYTHING that we can!!!
 
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I saw this posted on another forum as well. This is definitely not good. Since this is a petition how do you fight it? Other than informing/educating all of your friends and family about the petition and the massive negative impacts this will have? Who do we reach out to to show our concerns for this? OHA seems like a good organization, but are there others that anyone can think of?
 
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I saw this posted on another forum as well. This is definitely not good. Since this is a petition how do you fight it? Other than informing/educating all of your friends and family about the petition and the massive negative impacts this will have? Who do we reach out to to show our concerns for this? OHA seems like a good organization, but are there others that anyone can think of?
Most of the agricultural organizations for currently fighting it along with OHA. I think that as long as people know about what it really means it won’t happen like I said he’s going to try to make it seem less aggressive because he knows that he is in the position of a very small but loud minority. It took him since November to get 1000. ODFW would %100 be against it but since there a govt. deal then idk if they can voice for or against it.
 
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Except the part where it list in the exemptions " Lawful fishing, hunting and trapping activities."
 
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Except the part where it list in the exemptions " Lawful fishing, hunting and trapping activities."
That part would be removed from the exemptions list if this thing passes.
 
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In any other state I would have laughed this off but its Oregon, where trees are racist.. The people who introduce these bills know that the first step is getting a watered down bill through and then adding to it over the coming years until an ultimate goal is reached. Most of this stuff never sees the house floor but still worth keeping an eye on like the "lead fishing weight and shot ban" that is also being proposed. Lets hope Kate Brown loves her seafood..
 
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In any other state I would have laughed this off but its Oregon, where trees are racist.. The people who introduce these bills know that the first step is getting a watered down bill through and then adding to it over the coming years until an ultimate goal is reached. Most of this stuff never sees the house floor but still worth keeping an eye on like the "lead fishing weight and shot ban" that is also being proposed. Lets hope Kate Brown loves her seafood..
Banning lead weight isn't a bad idea though.
 
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@gfisher2003 the bill isn't just banning lead weight. It bans the use of all lead completely for fishing (and the use of it in shotgun ammo while hunting). That means no lead weights, no jig heads, no lead weighted flies, no down rigger balls no lead whatsoever....at least that is how I read it.
 
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@gfisher2003 the bill isn't just banning lead weight. It bans the use of all lead completely for fishing (and the use of it in shotgun ammo while hunting). That means no lead weights, no jig heads, no lead weighted flies, no down rigger balls no lead whatsoever....at least that is how I read it.
Yeah, it's considerably better for the environment not to use lead and there are alternatives like tungsten that work just as well. If there were no alternatives to lead it could be read as anti-fishing and hunting but since there are, it just helps the environment.
 
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I agree to a certain extent when it comes to lead weights, but not all of the other forms that they are trying to ban. The biggest issue I have with the bill is the costs associated with it. The fines and the prices of the alternative lead items. But that should probably be a discussion for a different thread without derailing this one much further.
 
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UGH!!!

Nothing worse than reading a HIGH ALERT forum thread and wasting 30 minutes of my life because somebody else doesn't read what they're freaking out about. Chicken little!!! The bill clearly states that it's not going to affect legal fishing. And I'm all for removing lead in the water. I'm basically waiting for a generation to stop fishing so we can outlaw it.

It is not a bill it is a petition, I don’t want to start anything but if you read what I clarified under the link about italics text being removed and bolder text being added you would understand. It is not the law itself but changes to the existing law that the petition is trying for. These changes will appear on the 2022 voters ballot IF the guy who submitted the petition can get enough signatures.
 
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Yeah, it's considerably better for the environment not to use lead and there are alternatives like tungsten that work just as well. If there were no alternatives to lead it could be read as anti-fishing and hunting but since there are, it just helps the environment.

Most common fishermen can not afford tungsten especially for things like salmon fishing when your using 12-16oz sinkers. Also for people that have spent thousands of dollars on lures with lead in them what are they supposed to do threw it all away. If we let them pass these bills then what is next banning lead bullets? If these people got there way there would be no hunting or fishing in Oregon.
 
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Most common fishermen can not afford tungsten especially for things like salmon fishing when your using 12-16oz sinkers. Also for people that have spent thousands of dollars on lures with lead in them what are they supposed to do threw it all away. If we let them pass these bills then what is next banning lead bullets? If these people got there way there would be no hunting or fishing in Oregon.
Fishing and Hunting are expensive sports, if you're spending thousands of dollars on lead you can afford to buy tungsten. banning lead bullets should be next, they're banned in California and the environment is better for it.

What common fisherman can afford licensing, permits, gas, and thousands of dollars worth of lures but not a buck more for tungsten?


Fishing and Hunting won't be legislated away anytime soon, if "these people get away with this" Fishing and Hunting will continue as normal just in a slightly more ethical way.
 
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Fishing and Hunting are expensive sports, if you're spending thousands of dollars on lead you can afford to buy tungsten. banning lead bullets should be next, they're banned in California and the environment is better for it.

What common fisherman can afford licensing, permits, gas, and thousands of dollars worth of lures but not a buck more for tungsten?


Fishing and Hunting won't be legislated away anytime soon, if "these people get away with this" Fishing and Hunting will continue as normal just in a slightly more ethical way.
It is way more than just a buck more for tungsten maybe you should try doing some research on that... On another note lead bullets do not shoot nearly as well as a lead cored bullet leading to a less ethical kill and the animal suffering. I understand what your trying to get after but I personally do not think the same way.
 
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It is way more than just a buck more for tungsten maybe you should try doing some research on that... On another note lead bullets do not shoot nearly as well as a lead cored bullet leading to a less ethical kill and the animal suffering. I understand what your trying to get after but I personally do not think the same way.
Tungsten is not so much more that someone who can afford to fish can't afford it.


This article comes to the conclusion that lead-cored bullets and nonlead bullets can be just as effective as each other and the ways in which they vary are just things that have to be learned.

nonlead bullets are also safer for you and for the environment around you, I wouldn't want to live in a house with lead paint I also don't want to eat an elk full of lead shrapnel.
 
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Tungsten is not so much more that someone who can afford to fish can't afford it.


This article comes to the conclusion that lead-cored bullets and nonlead bullets can be just as effective as each other and the ways in which they vary are just things that have to be learned.

nonlead bullets are also safer for you and for the environment around you, I wouldn't want to live in a house with lead paint I also don't want to eat an elk full of lead shrapnel.
You do you.
 
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