sea run cutthroat

brandon4455
oka, i have a couple questions regarding these fish. I usually start fishing for them early fall/late summer (september 1st) when my fall nook season begins. but i was wondering if they show up any earlier then that? august? maybe even july? and does anyone know a fly shop that in the valley (near salem) with a good selection of sea run flies? thanks for any help in advance





brandon
 
Spydeyrch
Well, I don't know much about the sea-runs, but I do know there is a fly shop there in Salem.

CreekSide Fly Fishing Shop
350 Liberty St SE

You should take a look at it or at their website. :D

Good Luck!

-Spydey
 
DB Crouper
brandon4455 said:
oka, i have a couple questions regarding these fish. I usually start fishing for them early fall/late summer (september 1st) when my fall nook season begins. but i was wondering if they show up any earlier then that? august? maybe even july? and does anyone know a fly shop that in the valley (near salem) with a good selection of sea run flies? thanks for any help in advance





brandon

Usually July in most coastal streams. We use to fish with flies that looked like bumblebees that we tied ourselves. Here's a 1958 13" Searun.
 
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bigsteel
rich youngers at creekside fly fishing will set you up
 
lilsalmon
DB Crouper said:
Usually July in most coastal streams. We use to fish with flies that looked like bumbelbees that we tied ourselves. Here's a 1958 13" Searun.

Hey its Mr. Gobel again....:D
 
n8r1
Here's a good book to read if you can find a copy. I picked a used one up for 2 bucks at a Seaside bookstore. Even though it was published in 1979 and is now out of print the info is still relevant. I read it cover to cover (not hard, it's only 60 pages) and it's got pages of great fly patterns for salt and fresh water, and gives good lifecycle info on the Searuns as well. Right now they are hanging around estuaries, migrating in and out of the ocean on a daily basis, and will start making freshwater runs next month (according to the book).

Amazon.com: How to Fish for Sea-Run Cutthroat Trout (9780936608020): Les Johnson: Books
 
DB Crouper
n8r1 said:
Here's a good book to read if you can find a copy. I picked a used one up for 2 bucks at a Seaside bookstore. Even though it was published in 1979 and is now out of print the info is still relevant. I read it cover to cover (not hard, it's only 60 pages) and it's got pages of great fly patterns for salt and fresh water, and gives good lifecycle info on the Searuns as well. Right now they are hanging around estuaries, migrating in and out of the ocean on a daily basis, and will start making freshwater runs next month (according to the book).

Amazon.com: How to Fish for Sea-Run Cutthroat Trout (9780936608020): Les Johnson: Books

Great find. I'm putting it on my gift wanted list.
 
SmallStreams
Real searuns will be in the estuaries in August. Movement upstream depends on how far they have to travel and how far south/north you are and when the first fall rain happens.

I spent last year on the Necanicum River learning the ins & outs of that river. Caught my first one above the estuarie at the end of August, but the bulk didn't start moving upstream until after Labor Day, about two weeks before the coho did -- but we also didn't have any rain until the coho started. The peak of the searuns was about a week before the peak of the coho... the run trails off more slowly than the coho & chinook, with the last searun I hooked in the lower section of the river was in mid-November (while trying to find a willing late chinook or early steelhead).

The difference between a real searun and a resident cutthroat is the length and heft (plus fresh searuns are very bright silver). The searuns in the Necanicum are fat 12"+ while the residents will be only 10-12" and skinny. Bigger streams will have bigger fish, so use this as a guideline rather than absolute numbers.
 
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Drew9870
Once again Brandon, the great and simple, Wooly Bugger.

Brandon, I'm gonna tie a sample pack of flies for you, they will be the little buggers I use but in an assortment of colors, I'll start you off with a dozen.

The main colors I have in mind for sea runs will be Black, White, Hot Pink, and Orange, they are very aggressive fish, so it doesn't take much to entice them.
 
SmallStreams
> they are very aggressive fish, so it doesn't take much to entice them.

Amen!

The bigger ones will stalk and grab spinners at the last second in still pools, being more suspicious than the smaller fish, but they never failed to at least give chase. Sometimes they'd turn away in disgust... subsequent casts would give you a second chance, but, unlike inland trout streams, we almost never got second strikes when you don't catch them on the first strike.
 
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DB Crouper
SmallStreams said:
Real searuns will be in the estuaries in August. Movement upstream depends on how far they have to travel and how far south/north you are and when the first fall rain happens.

I spent last year on the Necanicum River learning the ins & outs of that river. Caught my first one above the estuarie at the end of August, but the bulk didn't start moving upstream until after Labor Day, about two weeks before the coho did -- but we also didn't have any rain until the coho started. The peak of the searuns was about a week before the peak of the coho... the run trails off more slowly than the coho & chinook, with the last searun I hooked in the lower section of the river was in mid-November (while trying to find a willing late chinook or early steelhead).

The difference between a real searun and a resident cutthroat is the length and heft (plus fresh searuns are very bright silver). The searuns in the Necanicum are fat 12"+ while the residents will be only 10-12" and skinny. Bigger streams will have bigger fish, so use this as a guideline rather than absolute numbers.

We caught them trolling in tidewater all of July, and above tidewater in August, but we're talking the 1950s and 1960s.
 
brandon4455
thanks for the help everyone i really appriciate it. if a guided trip is a no no for my bday ill be stocking up on equipment for fly tying plus a bunch of flies and leader/tippet and other essentials.
 
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