Price of goods and services in Oregon going up

[lizardman]

Thanks to all of the people who voted to pass the latest measures (66 and 67) the price of goods and services will now be increased, and the unemployment rate will be going up; not to mention there is no longer any incentive for new businesses to move to Oregon.

If I were a business owner and employed 10 people but could get the job done with seven I would lay off three people so that my standard of living didn't go down as my taxes and costs of doing business just went up.


In other words "thanks California" for making Oregon such a great state to live in.

What ever happened to holding people and congress accountable for their actions as it isn't my fault they can't meet their annual budget; And then for them to vote themselves a pay raise on top of that is reprehensible.

I Scream "TAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION"

oh and in a few years this will snowball and there will be a call for even higher taxes to cover the higher costs of providing for more people unemployed.

Dave

 

[bigsteel]

agreed,,,,this state really blew it with these results...i work at a small company of eight employees and were tired of paying for union and government pensions and benifits.next will be mandated health care then cap and trade,,then stimulus 2....it doesn't end these people have no concept of what a budget is...i feel bad for the folks who make good money and keep gettin hit with bs taxes,,,,,i dont make a lot of money but it is not my place to put more burden on someone more successful then myself......their trying to create class warfare and its sickening..

good example of government employee::::::the other day i was coming home and pulled up[at the four way stop and one of the stop signs was blown down so i decided to call the county to inform them of it and the guy sat quiet for a minute then asked uhhh which sign is it i told him theres four to pick from so figure it out..:think::think::think:i dont mind helping the helpless but i draw the line at the clueless.ray:ray:maybe college wasn't good to him

 

[lizardman]

I am a government employee for the Federal Government AKA Department of the Army (Wage Grade Ammunition Inspector at the Umatilla Chemical Depot), and I hate seeing anyone's taxes go up.

These two measures put the burden of these "taxes" on everyone as Joe Q business owner would be a fool not to pass the higher cost of his doing business onto his customers.

As a federal employee I have personally seen the "we're out of money" syndrom when the requested item or service is a necessity only to see money coughed up for multiple flat screen TV monitors or other items that are not neccessities.

Dave

 

[bigsteel]

we did a job at the state fairgrounds last year and their moving the national guard in there,,,well around back there was about 2 to 3 hundred brand new desks and chairs and lockers and we asked why there sittin in the rain and the guy said ehhhh they ordered the wrong color so we gotta throw em out and order new.....i had to bite my tongue real hard on that one...

 

[lizardman]

Bigsteel,
This whole situation at the state and federal levels reminds me of a line spoken by Joe Pesci (spelling?) in one of the "Lethal Weapon" movies, but I will leave it at that as this is a family forum. Let's just say I am going to be investing in grit free petroleum jelly and hope I don't run out before things change.

Dave

 

[Kodiak]

Just goes to prove that the state government in oregon is not interested in we the people but rather "we the too lazy to make things happen for ourselves". Taking money from small businesses in times of desperation is stupid. This is pure unadulterated horse hockey. For someone like me if the incentives were right could potentially employ 2-3 people at least part time to run a full time shop now have to consider staying online only and still work for someone else. Why must those with initive and drive to succeed now sacrifice thier own livlihood to ensure the state does not have to change its antiquated problem filled way of doing business. This is the same old song and dance that Oregons broken legislature has pulled since I was in Highschool....Take away oppurtunity and services and demand more money. I would gladly shell out more cash if the services and programs were there. This becoming less of a free enterprise system and more socialist every day. Why should I work my butt off just to hand it over to someone on the public dole?

 

[lizardman]

Kodiak,
I agree with you brother.

And look at it this way if they dropped the taxes on businesses that would be incentive for more businesses to move to Oregon (i.e. a 15% tax per 100 dollars on five businesses is the same as a 5% tax per 100 dollars on 15 businesses) which would potentially see more people employed and paying taxes, or in other words taking a smaller percent in tax revenue actually means the government would be getting more money due to the fact of having more people and businesses paying taxes.

And as I have started as a free lance photographer in my time away from my 9-5 job I can guarantee I won't be hiring any assistants until taxes go down. I also will give price breaks to people who want to pay in cash or use the barter system, for obvious reasons.

Dave

 

[fishtales]

What I got out of it is if you have a business and do business in Oregon you now pay more tax. This is going to make companies move elsewhere which is going to hurt Oregon's already high 11% unemployment

 

[fishtales]

And as I have started as a free lance photographer in my time away from my 9-5 job I can guarantee I won't be hiring any assistants until taxes go down. I also will give price breaks to people who want to pay in cash or use the barter system, for obvious reasons.

Dave

Yeah I think we are going to see more people using systems similar toTradia.

 

[bigsteel]

Just goes to prove that the state government in oregon is not interested in we the people but rather "we the too lazy to make things happen for ourselves". Taking money from small businesses in times of desperation is stupid. This is pure unadulterated horse hockey. For someone like me if the incentives were right could potentially employ 2-3 people at least part time to run a full time shop now have to consider staying online only and still work for someone else. Why must those with initive and drive to succeed now sacrifice thier own livlihood to ensure the state does not have to change its antiquated problem filled way of doing business. This is the same old song and dance that Oregons broken legislature has pulled since I was in Highschool....Take away oppurtunity and services and demand more money. I would gladly shell out more cash if the services and programs were there. This becoming less of a free enterprise system and more socialist every day. Why should I work my butt off just to hand it over to someone on the public dole?

good way to put it,,we just want to make a living..i was talking to an older gentlemen the other day,,,and he made sence when he said all the governent programs have become an entitlement more than a program...a lot has to do with my generation,,,lazy lazy lazy....all i can do isray:for them

 

[Kodiak]

good way to put it,,we just want to make a living..i was talking to an older gentlemen the other day,,,and he made sence when he said all the governent programs have become an entitlement more than a program...a lot has to do with my generation,,,lazy lazy lazy....all i can do isray:for them

You could slap 'em around a little. When did we turn from an agresive country of inovators and entrapaneurs to spinless self expectant weenies? I blame ALLLLL of THis on the Clintons and the rise of Political sensorship...I mean Political Correctness.

 

[bigsteel]

You could slap 'em around a little. When did we turn from an agresive country of inovators and entrapaneurs to spinless self expectant weenies? I blame ALLLLL of THis on the Clintons and the rise of Political sensorship...I mean Political Correctness.

i think a lot of people lost motivation cause if you do make a successful business they will just tax your success away,,,,,

 

[lizardman]

Idaho to Oregon "Send all of your rich to us since you have made them unwelcome".

Dave

p.s. "Who is John Galt"

p.p.s. you'll know the answer to the p.s. if you have read Ayn Rand's "Atlas Shrugged".

 

[bigsteel]

Idaho to Oregon "Send all of your rich to us since you have made them unwelcome".

Dave

p.s. "Who is John Galt"

p.p.s. you'll know the answer to the p.s. if you have read Ayn Rand's "Atlas Shrugged".

great book!!!!!!!!!!im gonna have to read it again

 

[kfallscody]

I am with you guys, it just doesn't make sense to me. When I was reading the little voters pamphlete and saw they had HUNDREDS of millions of dollars of this tax increase slated for raises... RAISES.. wtf? We hardly see anything for our tax dollars as it is and these yahoo's are getting raises? I thew the book down right there and voted no for it.

Sadly, if the northwest part of the state votes for something, the rest of the state can't really effect the outcome, not enough votes.

My day job is as a self employed computer tech, is what I do to keep the lights on, house warm and tackle in the box. Luckily I have no employees... but I had been considering hiring somebody. After all of this, I will not be doing so. In fact several of my clients around town will probably have to lay people off as they just will not be able to afford the additional taxes they have to pay.

Grrrr, this whole thing just makes me so mad I can feel my blood starting to boil. Better cut this off now before this family forum becomes... well... not so much of one

 

[stream2.5]

66 and 67 is why its becoming a cash only business field... easier to hide and stash away... barter is also becomming much more popular...\

i think my biggest ***** in this whole thing is the PPS teachers union whining about working without a contract...... HELLO... nobody in the real world who works in business has a work contract.... its at will employment.... ya screw up ya find a new job.. simple as that.

 

[lizardman]

Months ago my mom, who owns a small business, asked what she could do stop the insanity. My answer was "how much is your mortgage payment per month?"; I then told her to stop paying her mortgage and put that money in a savings account and then claim a hardship to take advantage of the government programs. Then I told her to take a loss in income by accepting cash and barter so she qualified for food stamps.

My mom was shocked until I told her that if you want to beat the government you have to beat them playing by their rules... i.e. put yourself in a position that they have to support you instead of the way it is with the population supporting the government.

She saw the logic in my answer, but we both agreed that we were too ethical to live off ill gotten gain (or in other words to live off of government subsidy). Unfortuanately our government panders to people whom they can subsidize (illegal imigrants, refugees, welfare abusers [people who pop out a kid every couple years to be able to stay on welfare], and others).

Not to hijack my own thread, but when I was in high school in the mid to late 80s there was a family from Cambodia who lived near me and they came to this country as refugees. The government gave them a house, a car, a business and basically paid for them to have a foot hold/leg up. The government sure didn't do that with our ancestors who had to provide either a plan of sustenance or show proof of a relative living in this country in order for them to stay here.

I myself am very tired of these socialistic programs of taxing the rich to feed the poor because all the government is doing is putting a gun to everyone's head and taking money out of our pockets (money I could willfully help the poor in my own community with).

One other method of recovering the difference in money for many of us here is also unethical, but is to feed yourself and your families off of the land (most of us can hunt, fish, and pick berries) all year long.... Yes the above is poaching (except for the collection of wild plants/berries) and I do not condone poaching, I do believe there will be an increase in poaching crimes being prosecuted in our state due to the governments thievery of its citizens money in the form of measures 66 and 67.


Dave

 

[stream2.5]

the way around poaching laws..... buy 40 acres of "farm land" and then kill off every wild animal that crosses on to is as "damage controll" as youw were just "protecting your crops" its actually legal if you can prove the animals are destroying your lively hood. and since its on private property, by law only you can press charges of poaching.

 

[Thuggin4Life]

Well I don't know everything about the measure but it sounded like bussinesses weren't paying much in taxes to begin with and had it really easy(maybe I am wrong). and as far as the money goes at least some of it will be put to good use(too bad the government is really bad with money). Are schools are getting poorer and poorer don't we wasn't our kids to have a good education. And as for taxing the people who make more I am all for it(when the money goes to good use but no for rich people in government to get raises)). I am tired off seing all the breaks you get for being wealthy and if you make more you should pay more. As for me I read the small summary of the measures and not the whole book but they sounded good so I voted for them but never took the ballot in. All I know is I am getting a little more back in taxes than I would have if it didn't pass and I will never be in the bracket to be affected by the higher taxes(125,000 and up). Just my not so well informed opinion on the matter.

 

[lizardman]

All I know is I am getting a little more back in taxes than I would have if it didn't pass and I will never be in the bracket to be affected by the higher taxes(125,000 and up). Just my not so well informed opinion on the matter.

Thuggin,
you are directly affected by the higher taxes as the cost of your food, clothes, gas, rent, and other necessities will all go up. These costs you will pay over and over and over and will be more money out of your pocket than the extra you get back in your taxes (which you only get back once a year).

Also if you are unemployed it will affect you as now business owners will be laying off employees instead of hiring.


The school budget problems are simply a case of mismanagement of funds by the districts in most cases.

It's time to hold our state accountable for their budgets, not giving the politicians raises for screwing things up.


Dave