Fall coastal salmon 2022: not good news.

rogerdodger
I had a bad feeling about this based on what we were hearing but it's worse than I expected for the Siuslaw.
FYI- Siuslaw system doesn't even open for salmon until August 1, so this means nothing, nada, zippo for the entire year.

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Poor fall Chinook forecasts in some coastal systems; management plan calls for no wild retention in some basins

May 26, 2022
TILLAMOOK, Ore.—
ODFW will host an online webinar on June 7 at 6 p.m. to discuss the outlook for 2022 freshwater fall Chinook and coho fisheries along Oregon’s coast. The webinar will be livestreamed to the agency’s YouTube channel at https://www.youtube.com/user/IEODFW Public comments about seasons and questions for fish biologists hosting the webinar should be submitted at https://odfw.wufoo.com/forms/2022-fall-coastal-salmon-seasons/

Forecasts for wild Chinook in several coastal tributaries have fallen below closure criteria identified in the 2014 Coastal Multi-species Conservation and Management Plan (CMP) , which guides ODFW’s management of coastal fall Chinook.

Unfortunately, this means no wild fall Chinook retention in 2022 in the following basins: Tillamook Bay (including Tillamook, Wilson, Trask, Kilchis and Miami rivers) and Elk River. These areas will remain open for retention of hatchery salmon. Restrictions in the nearshore ocean areas adjacent to the mouth of Tillamook Bay are also being considered.

The Siuslaw River and Floras Creek/New River will be closed to all salmon angling from Aug. 1-Dec. 31 and the Coquille River will be closed to all salmon angling from July 1-Dec. 31.

The lingering effects of very poor ocean conditions that began in 2014 are impacting wild coastal fall Chinook. Ocean conditions have since improved, but positive effects will not be seen until future years.

Other coastal river systems will remain open for wild fall Chinook under permanent rules although daily/seasonal bag limits will be reduced in the Coos, Sixes, Hunter Creek, Pistol, Chetco, and Winchuck rivers, as specified in ODFW management plans.

These temporary regulations will take effect on Aug. 1 in most systems, but as early as July 1 for some.

The outlook for wild coho for the Oregon coast is similar to last year’s strong return. Opportunities for wild coho fisheries in several coastal systems will also be discussed at the meetings and ODFW encourages public input. Last year there were wild coho retention seasons in four coastal rivers for the first time in five years.

https://www.dfw.state.or.us/news/2022/05_May/052622.asp
 
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Diehard
Man that's a real bummer i sure would like to see wild coho retention on n. Fork nehalem and necanicum this fall
 
rogerdodger
Diehard said:
Man that's a real bummer i sure would like to see wild coho retention on n. Fork nehalem and necanicum this fall

were they part of last years wild coho program? my guess is that this year's wild coho program will be very similar just based on how they worded the end of press release...and I'm expecting the coho lakes to be under normal perm. regs for coho.
 
Diehard
They were closed last year to wild retention off the top of my head but they have been open in the past if memory serves also those are the rivers I enjoy fishing so slightly biased to have an opener on them 👍
 
rogerdodger
this is going to 'sink' in here in the Florence area in a bad way.

people familiar will know what a big deal the fall salmon fishing is to many local businesses and casino, fishing guides, and so many locals here that have family/friends visit to salmon fish and spend money.
 
GaryP1958
This year couldnt get any worse!
 
hobster
Man that absolutely sucks
 
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hobster said:
Man that absolutely sucks

my frustration started a few years ago and it's the random/chaotic/whiplash management we have seen. after really good chinook years like 2012-2014, we watched fishing pressure build on the Siuslaw, just as the well documented ocean issue started, then the 360/3.5 technique started increasing success even in warmer water....

But instead of going to like 1/day-5/year for wild chinook in the Siuslaw maybe 5 years ago, this is what we got:
2/20
2/20
2/20
2/20
2/20
2/20
2/20
1/1 (one and done)
2/20
this year: full closure

and spare me any "hindsight is 20/20" crap, it was obvious to a whole lot of people paying attention here that the Siuslaw needed to go to 1/5 about 2018.

anyone else think this would have been just a little bit better:
2/20
2/20
2/20
2/20
2/20
1/5
1/5
1/5
1/5
this year: 1/5
 
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Markk
and the commercials just keep going full boar...
 
hobster
I should rephrase my words. Man that absolutely sucks but if it helps the fish bounce back I’m all for it.
I don’t think anyone needs more than 5 salmon on any run. That’s a lot of fish. It should have been 1/5 the last 10 years or so
 
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hobster
And yeah the commercial fishing needs to be curtailed as well. It’s absolutely ridiculous that they get to keep hammering fish and we don’t get a shot of them. They kill a hell of a lot more than we do
 
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Diehard
The wilson river fishery had gotten hammered as well as all the others mentioned when the rivers are low the guides will set in tidewater day after day with there six clients and 12 fish limits daily bloodbaths are the norm on these small systems piss poor management regardless of ocean conditions I personally have nothing against the guides but more towards the management side of things i wish odfw could be a little more filled in as to what's going on with the fisherys there responsible for managing my 2cents
 
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DOKF
Bass striking same lure as steelhead
 
rogerdodger
just sad.

attachment below is the Siuslaw data from the ODFW presentation, I highlighted the last 4 years: 3 in red (2/20) and one in green (1 and done).

here's an idea, how about making 1/day-5/year the permanent regs for any river being managed as a sustainable wild chinook fishery?
Then consider an increase to 1/10, 2/10, or 2/20 only for years when the Abundance Estimate is...checks notes...at or above DESIRED ABUNDANCE!


 
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