Does anyone like this new fee?

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SmallStreams
I'm okay with the fee and the plans, but... darn it, one of the streams I like to fish for chinook is a tributary. Since I'm not catching (still trying to figure out the trick on that stream's summer run), I'll put fishing there on hold until I have time to figure it out and save myself $20 in fees (& $100 in fuel) over the next couple years.
 
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Knot Fishing Sober
What's another $10 bucks a year. Thats like pennies per fishing trip. Are there license fee increases often here? Haven't lived here long enuff to know. That money should add up quick with all the anglers that live and fish that area.
 
troutdude
troutdude
My angst, is not about the fee. Rather, what that money will actually DO. My beef is that, it does NOT look too likely that this supports sport fishermen and women. It appears that, instead, we are footing the bill to support gill netters.
 
rogerdodger
rogerdodger
troutdude said:
My angst, is not about the fee. Rather, what that money will actually DO. My beef is that, it does NOT look too likely that this supports sport fishermen and women. It appears that, instead, we are footing the bill to support gill netters.

my impression was that accomplishing this initial objective: "the transition of non-tribal commercial gill-nets from the main-stem Columbia into enhanced off-channel zones." was going to help sport fishing in the main-stem Columbia. Am I wrong about that?
 
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plumb2fish
Why should sportsmen give up opportunity and also pay for commercial interests to update from an archaic means of nonselective fish genocide.
We are losing the opportunity to fish certain areas of the columbia, they have already taken 1,000,000+ smolts from us from the Willamette System hatchery programs and given them to the netters, now we won't he allowed to even fish there....
We pay to raise the fish, pay them to catch them, then buy them after we've paid for the means in which those fish were caught...
Although sport fishing generates way more $, It doesn't get to the 1%ers....for those who controll the money to benefit, those fish must be SOLD TO US.....
 
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SOMCREW
Glad we don't run off the columbia.
 
rogerdodger
rogerdodger
change is not always easy. setting aside where the money should come from but not overlooking that there is a cost to accomplish this, the plan to eliminate gill netting in the Columbia, which is what this is all about, seems the correct direction.

Doing it in a way that avoids the economic/job impact that would come from just shutting down the commercial fishing while increasing sport opportunities during the transition, seems win-win to me.


I also have a problem feeling this is approach really so bad when I read that the gill netting industry is not pleased, tribal groups are furious, but the recreational/sport fishing is the big winner?

"Not everyone's happy

Recreational fishing interests embraced most aspects of Kitzhaber's plan, but it created new enemies and damaged old relationships.

The small but politically influential gill-net industry promises to fight the rules in the Legislature. County commissions and legislators along the lower river and coast bitterly oppose the changes. Powerful Native American tribes in the mid-Columbia region are furious the governor did not meet or consult them. They contend fish allocation changes should be run by the regional advisory committees that oversee the federal court-approved management of the Columbia River.

The big winner in the re-allocation of salmon catches is the recreational sports fishery. Last summer, when it appeared the Coastal Conservation Association would get its gill-net ban on the ballot, the Northwest Sports Fishing Industry Association began floating a more moderate plan to Kitzhaber."
 
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markasd
More people that roll over and say "aww, its only ten bucks" give it away to the commercials. So how important are these fish to you? Probably not important enough to just give up those systems to send a message?
Curious if they had a serious lack of participation, what would the program try next?
 
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troutmasta
rogerdodger said:
The big winner in the re-allocation of salmon catches is the recreational sports fishery. Last summer, when it appeared the Coastal Conservation Association would get its gill-net ban on the ballot, the Northwest Sports Fishing Industry Association began floating a more moderate plan to Kitzhaber."

I rember that.

The crushing defeat of Gill Netters was there and on the ballot-

The idea to come up with a more sensible approach to the modification and eventual eradiction of gill nets was accepted.

These things cost money.

Its 10 bucks. I personally harvest THOUSNADS of dollars worth of game from OREGONS waters every year.

Its my responsibility to help maintain this for everyone.
 
rogerdodger
rogerdodger
markasd said:
More people that roll over and say "aww, its only ten bucks" give it away to the commercials. So how important are these fish to you? Probably not important enough to just give up those systems to send a message?
Curious if they had a serious lack of participation, what would the program try next?

I think the alternative was most likely an immediately ban of commercial gill-netting, which I am not saying is a bad thing but wouldn't that have been disruptive from an economic/job viewpoint? the goal here seems to be a ban of gill-netting by 2017...I think the ban is coming, question seems to be whether it will be a transition or hard stop.
 
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troutmasta
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markasd said:
More people that roll over and say "aww, its only ten bucks" give it away to the commercials. So how important are these fish to you? Probably not important enough to just give up those systems to send a message?
Curious if they had a serious lack of participation, what would the program try next?


The idea of not fishing this system at all because you were not allocated the fish you desired or there were intrests besides yours on the piece of water is counter productive-

If no one fishes the system at all then there will be no fight with commercial intrests and no need for the program. BUT if we as rec anglers want the best part of the river, the biggest part of the run, and dont want other intrests around why we do it. Then we have to help create that environment. Keep in mind we are irraedictaing gill nets not recreational fishing. This takes a staged approach.

If everyone is really going to pass up the I5 of samon fishing over this I might just buy a sled and a kicker. With the gillnetters gone and the 1/2 the rec anglers refusing to pony up 10 bucks there should be a plethora of fish to be had.
 
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markasd
I suppose in the big picture, nets off the river all together, four years is pretty close. On the other hand, four years is right around the corner - how about just go get another job and quit netting today?
How many netters actually rely on netting as their primary income? Does any one really know? Curious.
 
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markasd
I'm not trying to be counter productive. I am so tired of every time the money issue comes up, they go straight for the sporties shorts. I am all for rebounding the fish.
 
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Knot Fishing Sober
Wish the $10 bucks could go towards getting rid of the damn sea lions. In a perfect world. ..
 
T
Tinker
Not my fishery, but I wanted to read the language of the bill and can't find it. Anyone have a link?

I thought everyone was all up in arms about the cormorants. I know I was. Are we supposed to get all in a lather about every un-licensed mammal that nabs a fish or two? I don't want to get too out of touch with the latest outrage.
 
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fish face
What surprises me is all the “it’s only 10 dollars” and “it will help” crowd—really? I don’t care if it’s 50 cents. The Government, whether State or Federal, does NOT spend your money well.
Have ever wondered would happen if the State of Oregon would ask for more taxes to keep the DEQ stations open? The DEQ stations would close because no one would care. But that not what “they” do. Instead schools, police, fire, roads are threatened to be cut. As a result, Joe Q. tax payer succumbs to the black mail until the next time Uncle Sam or Oregon cries poor.
Do I like the new fee / tax (same thing)? NO!!!!!!
 
GungasUncle
GungasUncle
No, I do not like the new fee. I don't like what it's going to support. I don't like creating what is essentially a welfare fishery for a bunch of part-time gillnetters. Frankly, I want to see a ban on all commercial harvest in the rivers and bays. I have no problem with commercial fishing in the ocean - leave the bays and rivers to sport fishers. I also want to see a ban on gillnets in all Oregon waters and off-shore areas. Gillnets do not discriminate - they kill everything that gets tangled up in them. Seine nets are much better and allow for the release of wild fish, and for non-target species bycatch.

I would rather see the $10 go to fund retraining and job-finding help for the commercial fishers who actually make their real living at it - not the guys who make it their part time job. I would rather see that additional $10 go to ramping up hatchery plants and fighting the jackwagon groups like the NFS, rather than rolling over and closing hatchery programs and reducing hatchery runs.

I want to see that $10 go toward habitat improvements and protection of critical spawning areas.

It starts with this $10 fee - it will never expire, and will likely go up because they will come and say we need more money.

Should we pay an extra $10 tax each year to provide extra sapling trees to increase lumber harvest for loggers? Should we set aside big areas of public forest and allow logging companies to come in and clear cut them, and sell the timber back to us without getting a serious cut of the money? How about you pay $10 extra each time you want to camp or hike in the forest, and we can provide welfare to loggers with it.

There's already enough business welfare going on - I'm tired of funding everyone else with my taxes and fees because the people in Salem are **** poor at managing everything from our roads to our forests to our fish and everything in between. I'm tired of being told we have to prop up this industry or that, because they can't make it on their own. **** happens. Industries and businesses come and go, they evolve and devolve. I'm sorry that the salmon runs aren't what they were 30, 40, or 50 years ago and that the regulatory bodies have made it difficult to make a living. Adapt. Find a new job. Sorry if your pappy and grand pappy and great grandpappy were fishermen and now you can't be one. Doesn't mean I should be supporting you because you can't find a new job. Economies change. They grow, they contract. They force people out of some jobs. Every generation goes through it, some go through rougher changes than others. This new fee is just one more entitlement program to a small but vocal minority.

This might be the last year I bother buying a salmon/steelhead tag. I haven't landed one in a few years. The fish returns have been late and low, and hatchery plants decreased or axed on some rivers. We get slapped with arguably stupid regulations and fees while commercials and tribals get to rape everything bigger than a smolt. Commercial fishers argue that in the lower columbia, sport anglers are too good at catching fish, so they demanded an exclusionary zone so "their" fish make it back to youngs bay to be netted. At the same time they argue that sporties aren't good enough at catching and killing hatchery fish, so they get a season to put nets in up river to kill all those evil hatchery fish so they don't make it up the river to spawn. Nice double standard.

I would actually be in favor of a 10 year moratorium on all salmon & steelhead angling in Oregon. Stop the hatchery plants, close every river to salmon & steelhead angling. Close them all to bait fishing for other species for that 10 years. Divert the hatchery money into habitat restoration and enhancement projects. Get the logging operations the hell away from the rivers and streams - mandate a 1/4 mile buffer zone from any water body. After 10 years, assess the fisheries and see if they're rebounding, and rebounding to the point of sustaining a limited retention fishery again. If, after 10 years there's not significant improvement to sustain a limited harvest fisher, then we either make the closures permanent, or we restart the hatchery programs and dump in smolt at historical high levels and tell the wild fish only groups to pound sand. That last bit would require serious backbone on the part of the government, so fat chance of that happening.

Or maybe we dump different fish in the rivers and say screw the native fish. I could see a sea run brown trout fishery being popular. Or striped bass. Or carp. Lots of carp. I hear cold, clean water carp are good eaters...

Anything but another entitlement. We are an entitled society, no one wants to give up anything, everyone wants more and more. $10 won't break almost anyone on this board (if it did, your priorities are F'd up and maybe you ought to be looking at cancelling your internet or something until you're in a better position) - but $10 now leads to $20 later. And then they'll come up with yet another fee, to pay for some other program, because they can't manage money for beans and know that most of us will bend over and ask for more, without lube please.

Anyone like paying for their $7 a year "invasive species" permit for your drift boat/pontoon/row boat? Have you seen *any* benefit from it? Does it make any sense to you? All it has done for me is make my wallet lighter. And frankly, until we ban freighters from China and other foreign ports from dumping their bilge water in the Columbia or Willamette rivers I don't want or need some government lacky giving me a hard time about a dirty boat hull. Very few waters in Oregon, and none I fish, are infected with zebra mussels or rock snot. But instead of charging the people responsible for the problems for the mitigation and cleanup programs, they pass the cost along to us. Because we'll bend over and ask for more. Eventually, I look for them to expand the fee to all boats, float tubes, inner tubes (fat chance of most tubers obeying, but hey, then they can set up stings on the Clackamas every summer and write $200 tickets to everyone on a truck tube for not having their $7 permit on them) and wading fishermen.

They tried and failed to ban felt here in Oregon, but they'll try again. Boot makers and retailers will be happy. And hey, it's only $40-200 for a new set of wading boots, right?

Where does this crap end?
 
rogerdodger
rogerdodger
REG: They've bled us dry, the Government crooks.
They've taken everything we had, and not just from us, from our fathers, and from our fathers' fathers....
...And what have they ever given us in return?!

XERXES: The aqueduct?
COMMANDO#3: And the sanitation.
MATTHIAS: And the roads.
COMMANDO: Irrigation.
XERXES: Medicine.
COMMANDO#2: Education.
COMMANDO#1: And the wine
REG: All right, but apart from the sanitation, the medicine, education, wine, public order, irrigation, roads, a fresh water system, and public health, what has the Government ever done for us?
XERXES: Brought peace?
REG: Oh. Peace? Shut up!
 
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troutmasta
rogerdodger said:
REG: They've bled us dry, the Government crooks.
They've taken everything we had, and not just from us, from our fathers, and from our fathers' fathers....
...And what have they ever given us in return?!

XERXES: The aqueduct?
COMMANDO#3: And the sanitation.
MATTHIAS: And the roads.
COMMANDO: Irrigation.
XERXES: Medicine.
COMMANDO#2: Education.
COMMANDO#1: And the wine
REG: All right, but apart from the sanitation, the medicine, education, wine, public order, irrigation, roads, a fresh water system, and public health, what has the Government ever done for us?
XERXES: Brought peace?
REG: Oh. Peace? Shut up!
THANK YOU!
I can't reply in depth to some posts from my phone at school but I will when I get home!
 
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ChezJfrey
From the ODFW explanation: "The endorsement helps fund the transition of non-tribal commercial gill nets out of the mainstem Columbia River into enhanced off-channel areas, freeing up additional salmon and steelhead for sport fishing."

I paid my 2014 fee. It's been a week and I've not captured a single one of these 'freed up for sport fishing' steelhead, so I'm calling BS! ;)
 

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