chris61182

The best I've ever managed was to either attach your split shot a foot or two ahead of the lure, allowing enough line for the lure to regain its action, or attach the split shot at the knot so that it behaves as if it's part of the lure. But in short if your lure goes below 1/16oz you'll probably really start to have trouble casting it even on ultra light gear.

Of course all is not lost, especially if you're fishing the mountain reservoirs. Have you ever been up to Green Peter or Detroit at this time of the year?

Green Peter's current water level...
http://www.state.or.us:8080/webramp/...=Green%20Peter

Detroit's current water level...
http://www.state.or.us:8080/webramp/...?water=Detroit

some other lakes in Oregon...
http://www.state.or.us:8080/webramp/index.html

The water is down about 100ft, exposing a whole lot of structure. The most notable of which is that most of the shoreline is damn near vertical. The fish will relate to the structure, and the nice part about the vertical shoreline is that the fish can be 50ft deep but still be a 1/16oz lures cast away, you just have to wait for it to sink.

DethanB

Well, first of all, I truly thank you guys for postings and I'm just sitting in the background trying to learn. Unfortunately, I'm a show me once and I'll do it forever type of guy and trying to learn from reading is not my forte

For starters, I keep seeing Bang Tail, but I do a Google on it and I come up with Bagley Bang-O-Lures. Are these what I should be looking for, or is this way off? I don't really see a White or Black one here?

What's the difference between a Blue Fox Vibrax and a Rooster Tail? They both seem quite similar to me?

Jigs? What is a Jig? I see one post here that says to just let it float, but I thought the nature of a jig was to bounce it? I used to deep sea fish up in Alaska (Breed and Raised up there) from time to time when a friend would invite me to go along. We used what they called a "Jig" which was a squid/tentacle looking hook that we just dropped straight down off of the boat, bounced it a couple of times and caught a Rock Bass. So with Lake Trout (stockers) how does one cast this out and "bounce it" or am I way off on this type of "Jig?"

Chatter Bait. I (again) did a Google on this one and came up with these two different styles. One to me looks like the Jig we used to us up in Alaska for deep sea, and the other looks like a minnow. I'm assuming you folks are referrring to the minnow looking lure?

Although most people that have been fishing are familiar with the terminology being posted here, a Rookie like myself has no idea what these things are. I really don't want to burden any of you in your fun of posting, but if maybe a link or two regarding the types of lures you are using (or even pictures) to a manufacturers website showing the Lure would be extremely helpful to me and any other lurkers out here trying to learn. That way I can run to Joes/Sportsmans/Wal-Mart/KMart and buy up and give them a try. Also, maybe a quick tutorial on how to use each one? I know this is not the thread for a tutorial, but maybe a link to another thread on "how to's" would be good, eh?!

I know part of the fun of fishing it learning what works and doesn't work, but I could be doing it bass ackwards and never know it. As I've mentioned in a couple of other posts, my son really wants to get into Fishing, so I'd love to see him hook into one to keep his interest in it, so any and all help is greatly appreciated from you folks!!!!

Thank you so much for the help so far, and I'll try and figure things out as they are posted!!

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All i can help with is the bang tail. I beleive its similar to a rooster tail... here is one...

chris61182

Those lures in the link are typically called minnow, or stick baits, which I've heard work phenomenally for large trout on some of the lakes in southern/southwestern Oregon, primarily for browns but everything big seems to like them. There's no reason they wouldn't work elsewhere I just haven't heard any reports and have other techniques that work most of the time.

The bang tail I'm referring to is just a particular brand of inline spinner that I use. If you can see the images I attached on the first post of the thread, it's the larger black lure second from the left. I don't have any with packaging at the moment so I'm not sure exactly which brand they are, but you'll find them in the spinner aisle at either Joes or BiMart. They are essentially just rooster tails that actually work, oh and they're cheaper than rooster tails too .


Yup, they absolutely are quite similar, it's just a matter of personal preference. Actually in my experience if the blade spins it tends to be a good spinner, from there I then usually purchase by price, with the only exception being the Bang-Tail spinners I use. Amazingly enough the cheapest spinners I've found also tend to be one of the best, Walmart has Bluefox spinner (not the vibrax, usually the flash spinners) multi-packs which have 5 or 6 spinners in a single pack for significantly less than they cost individually.

But there are many brands out there and they all work; Panther Martin, Blue Fox, Warden's, Luhr Jensen, and many others.


OK, the problem with that is jig is such an overloaded word. Bass jigs are very different from marabou jigs, which are fairly different from a jig head with a plastic grub or worm on it, and then there are also ice fishing jigs! All of which are all called jigs. Most trout fishing will probably focus on what is either called a crappie jig, or steelhead jig with the primary difference between the two being the size.


That's just what you do, but you bounce if off the bottom as you retrieve it very slowly. Actually if you find any articles on bass fishing with bass jigs it's the same concept just with a smaller slightly different lure.

Oh, and just so you know lake trout are also a particular type of trout, usually very large, aggressive, and found really really deep. That way you don't get confused if you come across the term later and what they're talking about seems a little absurd, like trout sized lures fished over 100ft deep :-).



I'm currently mainly talking about the one with the minnow body, but the one with the skirt is also a chatterbait. The main feature being the strange blade on the front. Which is also what gives them their non-brand specific name, "blade baits".


I think this thread is a fine place for this, it's kind of why I started it. And can you not see the pictures I've attached to a few of my posts? If not, can anyone else see them, otherwise I'll have to figure out a different way of getting my images on here.


The hardest part is to just keep trying. I've fished pretty much my whole life, and even I have bad days, or for that matter years. Actually last year was about the worst year of fishing I've ever had (less than 4 trips where I caught more than one fish), while the year before it was one of the best (less than 4 trips where I caught fewer than a dozen fish).

Oh and one more tip, earthworms, mealworms, crickets, and grasshoppers make excellent bait that very few fish can say no to! Oh and please do not use live fish for bait in Oregon, not only is it illegal but the wrong type of fish introduced into our lakes wreaks havoc on the ecosystem. If you want to learn more about that just do a Google search for Diamond lake and tui chub.

DethanB

Ahhhh... Is there a major difference between these and a Rooster Tail? In looking at a Rooster Tail there doesn't seem to be all the glitz and glamour on the spoon and the part between the spoon and hook? I guess that's what makes a Bang Tail much better eh? More visibility?

It seems to me the fish are after "Visible" type lures? Has anyone invented a lure using L.E.D. Lights? They are extremely cheap these days and with a small hearing aid battery I'm sure they would be extremely visible in murky water such as what's at Walter Wirth lake right now. I might even try putting one on a Rooster tail or Bang Tail?

Any ideas or thoughts?

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DethanB

Chris61182, thank you "VERY MUCH" for the information and taking the time to answer me! AWESOME!

yes, I saw your pictures above, but one lure looks like the rest to me, and my inability to follow directions has shown through here and I appologize for that! I'm a true man that never reads directions and if I'd done so here I wouldn't have had so many questions, i.e, "From Left to Right!"

I'll try to be a bit more intelligible in the future

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DethanB

I'm trying to get out as often as I can with my son, but the weather hasn't been very favorable (for us).

HA HA Ha Ha ha ha.... Yeah, here is another thing to watch me do! It takes me a good couple of minutes to tie one not with these small lines. I read on some places where these guys can tie the knots without even looking. I'm sitting there fumbling with one thinking, "Yeah right, and they probably walk on water too!"

Oh, I'm sure anyone with an idea and the ability to market will create something and sell it on late night infomercials! I'm surprised there aren't more electronic devices available, lures, and so forth (as I mentioned above) as I'm sure people would buy up on them whether they work or not!

Well, I tried this over the last two years. My son has been bugging me to go fishing for that long and I asked several friends at work (that fish all the time) to take us out and teach us the ropes. Two years later here I am reading blogs, and diving in head first with the son trying to make heads and tales out of this stuff. So, I'm content learning here and trying to make it work out in the local lakes. I'm sure part of our unsuccessful outings is the weather, and the other is just plain inexperience. I bug the people at the lakes when I'm out there and ask what they are using, and what to do. So sooner or later I'll catch on and figure out what I'm doing, but I sure do appreciate you guys helping me out here!

Thanks again everyone!

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chris61182

There is very little if no difference between rooster tails and bang tails, they're literally the same thing just different brands. The bang tail comes with an extra swivel on the eyelet which would be useful for someone who has problems with line twist and rooster tails. But my reason for preferring the bang tail is that in the last few years the rooster tails I've been buying don't spin as well as they used to.

As far as the holographic tape on the blade, rooster tails come with that too. Actually if you are looking for a specific coloration you'll probably have the easiest time finding it on a rooster tail because they have a very large selection.

While there will certainly be days that one factor or another is the dominant reason for success, fish are shockingly complex creatures, if it doesn't look right, smell right, sound right, feel right, or their lateral line (6th sense) tells them something is wrong they won't bite.