Preserve our Fish

USMC061018 · 04-01-2008, 07:51 AM

I know that people get paid to find ways of protecting our fish and their habitat. However I have learned that some of the best ideas come from people who have no say what so ever on how things are done. Fishermen that are successful have not studied fish, but have studied fish. They understand where the fish want to live and understand what they need to live there.

Wild life biologist's also understand those things but they are taught (I think) to think a certain way about certain things. I am not a wildlife biologist and I’m not trying to down grade what they do by any means. They are a valuable resource.

But to solve a problem you sometimes need to think outside of the box. That is where people like you come into play.

Experience and understanding of fish on a personal level can lead to helping our natural resource. Fish. Sure we can keep two adult Chinook salmon and two hatchery steelhead a day but what is the impact? Can we do more by limiting the bag limit to one? Shorten the season? Or restrict fishing on certain rivers for a period of time? This might already be going on, I don't know. If you know what is being done tell us about it. This post is long but I did it because I want my kids, and their kids to be able to fish and have the same great memories that I have as a child. Somebody on here will read this and will know somebody who can take an idea back and really make a difference. There is no wrong answer to this post. Thanks for reading and enjoy our rivers, lakes and streams.

GraphiteZen · 04-01-2008, 09:30 PM

That would be a great thing to do. Drop the limit to one. Most of the hardcore salmon anglers would have a heart attack on site, but they too bad. We need more spawn.

Osprey · 04-01-2008, 09:41 PM

I think they should put a bounty, or an open hunting season on sealions! They kill more salmon, steelhead, and now sturgeon than all of us put together! And the coast is over run by them...you can't even go down on the docks in Newport anymore...they've taken them over! Just my opinion.

GraphiteZen · 04-01-2008, 10:16 PM

I think the problem still comes down to the number of salmon. At least as far as them being in the river. Seems to me the sea lions are having a harder time finding enough food in the bay so they explore outwards looking for more. You can kill as many as you want in the rivers but there will be another there the next day to take it's place. It's like the farmer that plinks at sagerats or rabbits in his field thinking he's going to dent the population. He doesn't have a chance. However, if there really are that many sea lions around and the salmon poulation continues to decline something has to be done about the sea lions AND the salmon. If we can get enough salmon to feed the sea lions adequately they won't need to chase them up the rivers, but this also means we will need fewer sea lions or it might jusy be too hard. In short, the populations are WAY out of balance.

Osprey · 04-03-2008, 07:56 PM

I was looking at the ODFW site tonight and came accross this...I thought some of you would be interested. This is an article in the ODFW news...
Fish Division: Sea Lions - Oregon Department of Fish and Wildlife

Here also is an article that was in the Oregonian.
Resources: Viewing - Oregon Department of Fish and Wildlife

USMC061018 · 04-04-2008, 06:44 AM

hey thanks for that post. I just read the article and it's nice to see that people have identified a problem and are actually trying to fix it. I personally had no idea that the sea lion problem was so big. Hope we find a balance soon!

bake7829 · 04-04-2008, 11:57 AM

Dams do more to kill baby salmon/steelhead than anything. Besides that the best things I think we can do is limit the commercial harvest of salmon more, kill these damn sealions that don't only kill salmon but the big important breeder stugeon, and improve habitat on the small tributaries that provide spawning grounds for our fish. Also I know this wont be popular, but move to lures and artificial flies only on all small rivers (IE anything so small you wouldn't be able to troll with a boat on it.)

USMC061018 · 04-04-2008, 01:18 PM

all good points. I'm not against the lure thing either. It's a good idea. If we gave the salmon and steelhead two generations with a whole lot less pressure on them it would increase the population ten fold. Yes it would suck for the angler but the effects would be outstanding. 8 years of limiting the take a day to one, and like you said limit the amount of rivers you could use bait the salmon and steelhead would make a remarkable turn around. keep the ideas coming

04-01-2008, 07:51 AM	#1
USMC061018 Apprentice Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Southern california Posts: 46	Preserve our Fish I know that people get paid to find ways of protecting our fish and their habitat. However I have learned that some of the best ideas come from people who have no say what so ever on how things are done. Fishermen that are successful have not studied fish, but have studied fish. They understand where the fish want to live and understand what they need to live there. Wild life biologist's also understand those things but they are taught (I think) to think a certain way about certain things. I am not a wildlife biologist and I’m not trying to down grade what they do by any means. They are a valuable resource. But to solve a problem you sometimes need to think outside of the box. That is where people like you come into play. Experience and understanding of fish on a personal level can lead to helping our natural resource. Fish. Sure we can keep two adult Chinook salmon and two hatchery steelhead a day but what is the impact? Can we do more by limiting the bag limit to one? Shorten the season? Or restrict fishing on certain rivers for a period of time? This might already be going on, I don't know. If you know what is being done tell us about it. This post is long but I did it because I want my kids, and their kids to be able to fish and have the same great memories that I have as a child. Somebody on here will read this and will know somebody who can take an idea back and really make a difference. There is no wrong answer to this post. Thanks for reading and enjoy our rivers, lakes and streams. __________________ Fishing makes you smarter

04-01-2008, 09:30 PM	#2
GraphiteZen Moderator Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Corvallis, OR Posts: 362	That would be a great thing to do. Drop the limit to one. Most of the hardcore salmon anglers would have a heart attack on site, but they too bad. We need more spawn. __________________ When I die, screw some hooks into my spine and head for the deep water.

04-01-2008, 09:41 PM	#3
Osprey Sustained Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Albany Posts: 289	I think they should put a bounty, or an open hunting season on sealions! They kill more salmon, steelhead, and now sturgeon than all of us put together! And the coast is over run by them...you can't even go down on the docks in Newport anymore...they've taken them over! Just my opinion. __________________ Ron _____________________________________________ Fishin's My Thing!But racing comes in a close second!!!

04-01-2008, 10:16 PM	#4
GraphiteZen Moderator Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Corvallis, OR Posts: 362	I think the problem still comes down to the number of salmon. At least as far as them being in the river. Seems to me the sea lions are having a harder time finding enough food in the bay so they explore outwards looking for more. You can kill as many as you want in the rivers but there will be another there the next day to take it's place. It's like the farmer that plinks at sagerats or rabbits in his field thinking he's going to dent the population. He doesn't have a chance. However, if there really are that many sea lions around and the salmon poulation continues to decline something has to be done about the sea lions AND the salmon. If we can get enough salmon to feed the sea lions adequately they won't need to chase them up the rivers, but this also means we will need fewer sea lions or it might jusy be too hard. In short, the populations are WAY out of balance. __________________ When I die, screw some hooks into my spine and head for the deep water.

04-03-2008, 07:56 PM	#5
Osprey Sustained Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Albany Posts: 289	Authorization Granted to kill Sealions I was looking at the ODFW site tonight and came accross this...I thought some of you would be interested. This is an article in the ODFW news... Fish Division: Sea Lions - Oregon Department of Fish and Wildlife Here also is an article that was in the Oregonian. Resources: Viewing - Oregon Department of Fish and Wildlife __________________ Ron _____________________________________________ Fishin's My Thing!But racing comes in a close second!!!

04-04-2008, 06:44 AM	#6
USMC061018 Apprentice Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Southern california Posts: 46	hey thanks for that post. I just read the article and it's nice to see that people have identified a problem and are actually trying to fix it. I personally had no idea that the sea lion problem was so big. Hope we find a balance soon! __________________ Fishing makes you smarter

04-04-2008, 11:57 AM	#7
bake7829 Neophyte Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Lake Oswego Posts: 7	Damn dams Dams do more to kill baby salmon/steelhead than anything. Besides that the best things I think we can do is limit the commercial harvest of salmon more, kill these damn sealions that don't only kill salmon but the big important breeder stugeon, and improve habitat on the small tributaries that provide spawning grounds for our fish. Also I know this wont be popular, but move to lures and artificial flies only on all small rivers (IE anything so small you wouldn't be able to troll with a boat on it.)

04-04-2008, 01:18 PM	#8
USMC061018 Apprentice Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Southern california Posts: 46	all good points. I'm not against the lure thing either. It's a good idea. If we gave the salmon and steelhead two generations with a whole lot less pressure on them it would increase the population ten fold. Yes it would suck for the angler but the effects would be outstanding. 8 years of limiting the take a day to one, and like you said limit the amount of rivers you could use bait the salmon and steelhead would make a remarkable turn around. keep the ideas coming __________________ Fishing makes you smarter

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