anyone heard?

colby · 08-12-2008, 07:38 PM

To protect bull trout and wild ?redsides,? a bait ban is proposed for a popular section of the Mckenzie River: The Register-Guard, Eugene, Ore.

check that out? what are your thoughts?

FishSchooler · 08-13-2008, 02:28 PM

I dont know about the mckenzie, but I know that the sandy river has some really really rare and big bull trout.

colby · 08-13-2008, 03:40 PM

ive never caught much to be real proud of on the McKenzie. its always on worms or eggs when i do catch fish, mainly at green wood or near finn rock.

colby · 08-14-2008, 12:32 PM

sorry for the double post, but PEOPLE NEED TO VOTE! 75 views and im the only one who voted

ArcticAmoeba · 08-14-2008, 12:58 PM

I kill trout on the Mac with flies the few times a year that I go, and I bet these new spinners I have been messin with would be devastating too, as everywhere else I take them, it starts to become "unfair" according to some of the other bankies I fish with locally... Hmmm, does not affect me at all, but it is easy to catch fish on bait if they aren't totally conditioned against it. I just have better results fly fishing for trout especially. I am not opposed to bait bans, as I feel good enough about my terminal skills to offset that negative feeling...But especially if you are just takin young kids out to fish, worms and power bait, are dead simple, no reelin until you get hooked up. Maybe an age limit is good? I am not so sure though?

cavdad45 · 08-14-2008, 02:32 PM

I personally think that a bait ban is good, not just on the McKenzie, but in most free-flowing waterways.

Trout and most salmoids experience an extremely high mortality when released. Fish caught on bait are generally hooked deeper than those caught on flies or lures which increases their chance of death. So a bait ban is a good idea.

colby · 08-14-2008, 08:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cavdad45

I personally think that a bait ban is good, not just on the McKenzie, but in most free-flowing waterways.

Trout and most salmoids experience an extremely high mortality when released. Fish caught on bait are generally hooked deeper than those caught on flies or lures which increases their chance of death. So a bait ban is a good idea.

yeah, thats what the article said. but do you think if more people didnt remove the fish from the water and still used bait, that the mortality rate would be changed much?

cavdad45 · 08-15-2008, 11:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by colby

yeah, thats what the article said. but do you think if more people didnt remove the fish from the water and still used bait, that the mortality rate would be changed much?

It's not so much a matter of removing the fish from the water, as it is the damages done by the hook. A fish taken by bait is often hooked deep in the gullet, in the tongue, or near the gills. That's why so many more bait-caught fished are bleeders.

Fish caught on lures and flies, rarely take a bait that deep and almost consistently are hooked in the top or side of the mouth.

The use of artificials as well as appropriate fish handling practices are the keys to good fisheries.

colby · 08-16-2008, 08:05 PM

what if everyone used barbless hooks for bait? would that make any difference?

im not apposed to using lures or flies, but we fish those areas a ton, and we've always used night crawlers. my whole family grew up on the mckenzi. finn rock to be more exact. my mom went to mckenzi high school, my grandfather owned that little old gas station up there at finn rock (rest his soul

), and we have a lot of history up there, and thats why i oppose this so much.

FishSchooler · 08-22-2008, 04:48 PM

Also, I think some baits would kinda pollute if overly used. Powerbait, comes off the hook a lot and just floats in the river. I dont think people would want tons of stuff floating down a river... Lead is also a problem, especially near bonnie dam, plunkers lose a lead every bite, and lose a lead every snag.

View Poll Results: The proposed ban on bait on the Mckenzie river...
I understand what this means if passed	6	54.55%
Will this change your fishing habits on this section	2	18.18%
Do you want this to pass	2	18.18%
Do you not want this to pass	3	27.27%
kids Should be allowed to use bait in this section	3	27.27%
There should be a cut off age in the section	2	18.18%
I do understand what this means if it fails	4	36.36%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 11. You may not vote on this poll

08-12-2008, 07:38 PM	#1
colby Apprentice Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Corvallis. Posts: 56	anyone heard? To protect bull trout and wild ?redsides,? a bait ban is proposed for a popular section of the Mckenzie River: The Register-Guard, Eugene, Ore. check that out? what are your thoughts? __________________ "I caught you a delicious Bass." -Napoleon Dynamite.

08-13-2008, 02:28 PM	#2
FishSchooler Master Angler Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Lake Oswego Posts: 1,003	I dont know about the mckenzie, but I know that the sandy river has some really really rare and big bull trout. __________________ Give a man some powerbait, he'll fish for a day, teach the man how to make powerbait, he won't be fishing at all.

08-13-2008, 03:40 PM	#3
colby Apprentice Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Corvallis. Posts: 56	ive never caught much to be real proud of on the McKenzie. its always on worms or eggs when i do catch fish, mainly at green wood or near finn rock. __________________ "I caught you a delicious Bass." -Napoleon Dynamite.

08-14-2008, 12:32 PM	#4
colby Apprentice Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Corvallis. Posts: 56	sorry for the double post, but PEOPLE NEED TO VOTE! 75 views and im the only one who voted __________________ "I caught you a delicious Bass." -Napoleon Dynamite.

08-14-2008, 12:58 PM	#5
ArcticAmoeba Moderator Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: O.C. Posts: 717	I kill trout on the Mac with flies the few times a year that I go, and I bet these new spinners I have been messin with would be devastating too, as everywhere else I take them, it starts to become "unfair" according to some of the other bankies I fish with locally... Hmmm, does not affect me at all, but it is easy to catch fish on bait if they aren't totally conditioned against it. I just have better results fly fishing for trout especially. I am not opposed to bait bans, as I feel good enough about my terminal skills to offset that negative feeling...But especially if you are just takin young kids out to fish, worms and power bait, are dead simple, no reelin until you get hooked up. Maybe an age limit is good? I am not so sure though? __________________ Get Bent...Yo Rod That Is.

08-14-2008, 02:32 PM	#6
cavdad45 Master Angler Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: beavercreek Posts: 389	I personally think that a bait ban is good, not just on the McKenzie, but in most free-flowing waterways. Trout and most salmoids experience an extremely high mortality when released. Fish caught on bait are generally hooked deeper than those caught on flies or lures which increases their chance of death. So a bait ban is a good idea.

08-16-2008, 08:05 PM	#9
colby Apprentice Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Corvallis. Posts: 56	what if everyone used barbless hooks for bait? would that make any difference? im not apposed to using lures or flies, but we fish those areas a ton, and we've always used night crawlers. my whole family grew up on the mckenzi. finn rock to be more exact. my mom went to mckenzi high school, my grandfather owned that little old gas station up there at finn rock (rest his soul ), and we have a lot of history up there, and thats why i oppose this so much. __________________ "I caught you a delicious Bass." -Napoleon Dynamite.

08-22-2008, 04:48 PM	#10
FishSchooler Master Angler Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Lake Oswego Posts: 1,003	Also, I think some baits would kinda pollute if overly used. Powerbait, comes off the hook a lot and just floats in the river. I dont think people would want tons of stuff floating down a river... Lead is also a problem, especially near bonnie dam, plunkers lose a lead every bite, and lose a lead every snag. __________________ Give a man some powerbait, he'll fish for a day, teach the man how to make powerbait, he won't be fishing at all.

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