ODFW Fouled By Environmental Extremists - Page 3

Irishrover · 06-30-2008, 08:04 PM

Now be easy on us old guys. It's true we have seen a lot of change. Just for fun I thought I'd share some of those changes. But first let me quote from a letter written by Frank B. White Ex Director of the state game commission ( he was an ex in 1960). The letter is from my 1960 Oregon Sportman Guide, yep I do hang onto things. The guide was published by Foster Sporting Goods lone since gone.

"I have fished Oregon's lakes and streams for over half a century and have seen such fishing as will never be had again. The sport, excitement and thrill of the outdoors and that of the fishing sportman is part of the reward of living in Oregon. Oregon's restocking program is tops, but in our streams today we have power dams, irrigation dams and often times pollution problem. These factors together with heavey pressure of our fishing population, will hold the fishery to a much lower level than in years past. An answer to this problem is the opening up of hundreds of lakes, by the forestry roads and trails. This effort is making available hundreds of acres of top fishing water for Oregon sportsman. The game commission has stocked these waters by every means possible. They have used pack horses to reach high lakes and often used planes when no other means were practicle.

The sportman, in years to come, will have to depend more and more on such lakes to furnish him the thrills, excitement and pleasure of sport fishing. It is also up to the fisherman to preserve these areas by his actions and cleanliness." Frank B. White

This letter was writen 48 years ago and Oregon had less than half the population it does now.

Again for fun and intertainment some of the changes I have seen.

I used to by a fishing license for $2

We used to fish rivers like the Molalla, Clackamas,and Collawash the limit was 10 fish size minimum was 6 inches. Now catch and release only

Ocean salmon season was June through September (three salmon no such thing as fin clipping) Now 9000 quota fin cliped coho only

Ocean bottom fish limit was 15 fish now it's five and only certiain fish can be kept.

claming and crabbing no license, now need a special shell fish tag.

I used to fish the Zig Zag upper Sandy and my favorite steelheed river the Salmon (Sandy system). Now closed to steelheed fishing.

The Deschutes was a open river 10 fish 6" mimimum bait allowed. Now flies and lures only a two fish limit with a size slot on 10 -12 inches. No fishing from a boat and need a permit to be on the river in a floating device.

Sturgeon fishing was 2 fish a day between 36" and 72" now it's down to who knows what and when and what day you can fish for them.

If it helps save the sport for future generations then change is all well and good. I currentley have 9 grand children and I hope there will be fish for them. One of my great thrills last summer was teaching one of my grandaughters how to use a spinning rod up at Timmothy Lake she nailed it. The other thrill is still crossing the Columbia River Bar with my father now 82, and chacing those crazy coho.

This post is not ment to be a complaint, it's just to show some of the changes that have taken place over the years. One of the good pieces of luck I did have was to have been born here in Oregon at a good time to take advantage of this great Nortwest. I would hate to be a young father trying to do the trips now with the price of fuel and all and still raise a family.
Tight lines Irishrover

ArcticAmoeba · 06-30-2008, 09:45 PM

Wow, Rover some of those fact you threw out are pretty amazing! 2 dollar fish tags, Deschutes open to 10 fish caught on bait not flies 'n lures. Dang, it sounds like some epic adventures took place during that time. These are the dreams to have, crazy limits, and long seasons...I am glad that i can still enjoy fishing today, and catch enough fish to satisfy my urges, even if it cost alot to get licensed, and drive nowdays, not to mention the smaller and smaller runs of fish.

And geez Chuck, you make my face all red.

We are truly blessed to be Oregonians aren't we.

SDK · 06-30-2008, 11:25 PM

The thing to do is get out and give something back. The fish hatchery out in Hebo put out a call for volunteers to come out a few weeks ago and help them fin clip all of this years smolts. I took my wife and baby, who already loves to watch rivers and fish

We met a lot of nice folks and had a great time. I'm also already a member of Trout Unlimited, and will be joining the local CCA chapter when I move to Eugene next month.

Back in NY our dive club used to do volunteer underwater cleanups in lakes and the ocean. Once you've invested some of your own sweat and muscle into something, it becomes more personal to you. Of course make sure you register and become an educated voter.

I actually feel for you old time Oregonians. What you are seeing here is just a smidge of the environmental destruction that happened where I grew up on Long Island in NY. Being a small island and close to a major metropolitan area, it happened fast and ugly. Hopefully it doesn't happen here too...

Irishrover · 07-01-2008, 01:28 AM

We were lucky out here. Had a Governor by the name of Tom Lawson McCall. He grew up just out of Prineville on the Crooked River. His grandfather, Samuel Walker McCall, was Governor of Massachusetts. Tom McCall came along and turned this state around in the early 70s. He introduced the bottle bill the nations first. He also set about cleaning up the rivers especially the Willamette. If you think that river looks bad now you should have seen it in the 60s. Uck! Now people water ski in it. I'm sure many people remember the big wigwam burners that filled the air with smoke from waste wood products and all. Now all the wood waste is put to use and no smoke. We were close but made a change at the right time.

Good book to read about him is Fire at Edens's Gate by Brent Walth

Artic if you think a $2 fishing license was cheap, bread was 10 cents a loaf and gas was 23 cents a gallon, a movie cost 25 cents, of course $1.25 an hour was big money too! Must get off this computer now, have to get ready headed over to Central oregon to enjoy the sites and set a few hooks. See you in a couple weeks. Irishrover

ArcticAmoeba · 07-01-2008, 01:18 PM

Ha Ha Ha

I always enjoy seeing how different things are today. Bread, oh it has only gone up 1500% on average...Good Luck, and bring those fish that Eire Fire that we're known for.

1aB · 11-07-2008, 04:36 PM

Having been tying jigs since before some of your parents were born, I offer the profound observation that without catch restrictions, more people fishing = less fish. On my first shoreline outing for moi (aka wife's favorite) in a year & a half recently I got skunked! WTF, my always reliable difficult access secret spots cleaned out?! Could it be that a 15 bag limit for an almost extinct fish might have been excessive? Did someone lay (legal) gill nets in the moi holes? What happened to restocking R&D projects? Could it be that our fisheries managers heading out on their blue water cruisers for brag trophies forgot about or ignored us shoreline niggers? Shoot, I'm heading for Oregon where I can actually catch something.

Attached moi pics previous pre-skunk trip and vintage.

phish-on · 11-07-2008, 05:38 PM

irishrover--
Foster Sporting Goods.
would this also have been known as "Dons tackle shop" or are you familiar with that name?
the reason im asking is because my uncle was Don. His shop was on about 72nd and Foster till the late or maybe mid 70s.

Irishrover · 11-07-2008, 06:59 PM

Phish-on,

Can't remember a Dons tackel shop. The Only thing I remember from 72n Foster is the Maple Leaf restaurant on the North side of the street. Foster Sporting goods started out on Harold street then moved across the street to 79th & Foster. Do you know what part of the steet his shop was on?

1ab, You are correct more people fishing, more pressure, can be tough to be a fish! The bottom fish over here do get a break from the sportsfishermans hook due to weather. I used to strickley hit the ocean for salmon, never gave those funny bottom fish a second thought untill the 1990s when they cut the salmon fishing way back. Unable to fish for salmon we gave them a try. Turned out it was lots of fun and darn good fish to eat. I miss it. Have not gone at all this year. Not going to run the boat out there with high gas prices for 5 or 6 bottom fish. Hope the gas prices stay where they are now or go lower, then I'll cross the bar for ling and rock cod.

phish-on · 11-07-2008, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Irishrover

Phish-on,

Can't remember a Dons tackel shop. The Only thing I remember from 72n Foster is the Maple Leaf restaurant on the North side of the street. Foster Sporting goods started out on Harold street then moved across the street to 79th & Foster. Do you know what part of the steet his shop was on?

1ab, You are correct more people fishing, more pressure, can be tough to be a fish! The bottom fish over here do get a break from the sportsfishermans hook due to weather. I used to strickley hit the ocean for salmon, never gave those funny bottom fish a second thought untill the 1990s when they cut the salmon fishing way back. Unable to fish for salmon we gave them a try. Turned out it was lots of fun and darn good fish to eat. I miss it. Have not gone at all this year. Not going to run he boat out there with high gas prices for 5 or 6 bottom fish. Hope the gas prices stay where they are now or go lower, then I'll cross the bar for ling and rock cod.

i think that would be it. If i remember right he started on Harold. he was on the south side of foster in a little white building. and i know that he was west of Freddies about 70 something st.

Irishrover · 11-07-2008, 08:26 PM

That must be the same one. The building on Harold was a smaller white building. Then if I remember right they moved to the old Safeway store building west of Freddy's. I left my Foster Sporting Goods book over at my place in Culver. I'm headed over there this weekend I'll bring it back and get the adress from it.

06-30-2008, 08:04 PM	#21
Irishrover Apprentice Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Sandy Posts: 90	Easy on the old guys Now be easy on us old guys. It's true we have seen a lot of change. Just for fun I thought I'd share some of those changes. But first let me quote from a letter written by Frank B. White Ex Director of the state game commission ( he was an ex in 1960). The letter is from my 1960 Oregon Sportman Guide, yep I do hang onto things. The guide was published by Foster Sporting Goods lone since gone. "I have fished Oregon's lakes and streams for over half a century and have seen such fishing as will never be had again. The sport, excitement and thrill of the outdoors and that of the fishing sportman is part of the reward of living in Oregon. Oregon's restocking program is tops, but in our streams today we have power dams, irrigation dams and often times pollution problem. These factors together with heavey pressure of our fishing population, will hold the fishery to a much lower level than in years past. An answer to this problem is the opening up of hundreds of lakes, by the forestry roads and trails. This effort is making available hundreds of acres of top fishing water for Oregon sportsman. The game commission has stocked these waters by every means possible. They have used pack horses to reach high lakes and often used planes when no other means were practicle. The sportman, in years to come, will have to depend more and more on such lakes to furnish him the thrills, excitement and pleasure of sport fishing. It is also up to the fisherman to preserve these areas by his actions and cleanliness." Frank B. White This letter was writen 48 years ago and Oregon had less than half the population it does now. Again for fun and intertainment some of the changes I have seen. I used to by a fishing license for $2 We used to fish rivers like the Molalla, Clackamas,and Collawash the limit was 10 fish size minimum was 6 inches. Now catch and release only Ocean salmon season was June through September (three salmon no such thing as fin clipping) Now 9000 quota fin cliped coho only Ocean bottom fish limit was 15 fish now it's five and only certiain fish can be kept. claming and crabbing no license, now need a special shell fish tag. I used to fish the Zig Zag upper Sandy and my favorite steelheed river the Salmon (Sandy system). Now closed to steelheed fishing. The Deschutes was a open river 10 fish 6" mimimum bait allowed. Now flies and lures only a two fish limit with a size slot on 10 -12 inches. No fishing from a boat and need a permit to be on the river in a floating device. Sturgeon fishing was 2 fish a day between 36" and 72" now it's down to who knows what and when and what day you can fish for them. If it helps save the sport for future generations then change is all well and good. I currentley have 9 grand children and I hope there will be fish for them. One of my great thrills last summer was teaching one of my grandaughters how to use a spinning rod up at Timmothy Lake she nailed it. The other thrill is still crossing the Columbia River Bar with my father now 82, and chacing those crazy coho. This post is not ment to be a complaint, it's just to show some of the changes that have taken place over the years. One of the good pieces of luck I did have was to have been born here in Oregon at a good time to take advantage of this great Nortwest. I would hate to be a young father trying to do the trips now with the price of fuel and all and still raise a family. Tight lines Irishrover Last edited by Irishrover : 06-30-2008 at 08:15 PM.

06-30-2008, 09:45 PM	#22
ArcticAmoeba Moderator Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: O.C. Posts: 717	Wow, Rover some of those fact you threw out are pretty amazing! 2 dollar fish tags, Deschutes open to 10 fish caught on bait not flies 'n lures. Dang, it sounds like some epic adventures took place during that time. These are the dreams to have, crazy limits, and long seasons...I am glad that i can still enjoy fishing today, and catch enough fish to satisfy my urges, even if it cost alot to get licensed, and drive nowdays, not to mention the smaller and smaller runs of fish. And geez Chuck, you make my face all red. We are truly blessed to be Oregonians aren't we. __________________ Get Bent...Yo Rod That Is.

07-01-2008, 01:28 AM	#24
Irishrover Apprentice Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Sandy Posts: 90	We were lucky out here. Had a Governor by the name of Tom Lawson McCall. He grew up just out of Prineville on the Crooked River. His grandfather, Samuel Walker McCall, was Governor of Massachusetts. Tom McCall came along and turned this state around in the early 70s. He introduced the bottle bill the nations first. He also set about cleaning up the rivers especially the Willamette. If you think that river looks bad now you should have seen it in the 60s. Uck! Now people water ski in it. I'm sure many people remember the big wigwam burners that filled the air with smoke from waste wood products and all. Now all the wood waste is put to use and no smoke. We were close but made a change at the right time. Good book to read about him is Fire at Edens's Gate by Brent Walth Artic if you think a $2 fishing license was cheap, bread was 10 cents a loaf and gas was 23 cents a gallon, a movie cost 25 cents, of course $1.25 an hour was big money too! Must get off this computer now, have to get ready headed over to Central oregon to enjoy the sites and set a few hooks. See you in a couple weeks. Irishrover Last edited by Irishrover : 07-01-2008 at 01:32 AM.

07-01-2008, 01:18 PM	#25
ArcticAmoeba Moderator Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: O.C. Posts: 717	Ha Ha Ha I always enjoy seeing how different things are today. Bread, oh it has only gone up 1500% on average...Good Luck, and bring those fish that Eire Fire that we're known for. __________________ Get Bent...Yo Rod That Is.

11-07-2008, 06:59 PM	#28
Irishrover Apprentice Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Sandy Posts: 90	Phish-on, Can't remember a Dons tackel shop. The Only thing I remember from 72n Foster is the Maple Leaf restaurant on the North side of the street. Foster Sporting goods started out on Harold street then moved across the street to 79th & Foster. Do you know what part of the steet his shop was on? 1ab, You are correct more people fishing, more pressure, can be tough to be a fish! The bottom fish over here do get a break from the sportsfishermans hook due to weather. I used to strickley hit the ocean for salmon, never gave those funny bottom fish a second thought untill the 1990s when they cut the salmon fishing way back. Unable to fish for salmon we gave them a try. Turned out it was lots of fun and darn good fish to eat. I miss it. Have not gone at all this year. Not going to run the boat out there with high gas prices for 5 or 6 bottom fish. Hope the gas prices stay where they are now or go lower, then I'll cross the bar for ling and rock cod. Last edited by Irishrover : 11-08-2008 at 11:26 AM.

06-30-2008, 11:25 PM	#23
SDK Angler Join Date: May 2008 Location: Salem Posts: 108	The thing to do is get out and give something back. The fish hatchery out in Hebo put out a call for volunteers to come out a few weeks ago and help them fin clip all of this years smolts. I took my wife and baby, who already loves to watch rivers and fish We met a lot of nice folks and had a great time. I'm also already a member of Trout Unlimited, and will be joining the local CCA chapter when I move to Eugene next month. Back in NY our dive club used to do volunteer underwater cleanups in lakes and the ocean. Once you've invested some of your own sweat and muscle into something, it becomes more personal to you. Of course make sure you register and become an educated voter. I actually feel for you old time Oregonians. What you are seeing here is just a smidge of the environmental destruction that happened where I grew up on Long Island in NY. Being a small island and close to a major metropolitan area, it happened fast and ugly. Hopefully it doesn't happen here too...

11-07-2008, 04:36 PM	#26
1aB Neophyte Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Puna Posts: 21	Having been tying jigs since before some of your parents were born, I offer the profound observation that without catch restrictions, more people fishing = less fish. On my first shoreline outing for moi (aka wife's favorite) in a year & a half recently I got skunked! WTF, my always reliable difficult access secret spots cleaned out?! Could it be that a 15 bag limit for an almost extinct fish might have been excessive? Did someone lay (legal) gill nets in the moi holes? What happened to restocking R&D projects? Could it be that our fisheries managers heading out on their blue water cruisers for brag trophies forgot about or ignored us shoreline niggers? Shoot, I'm heading for Oregon where I can actually catch something. Attached moi pics previous pre-skunk trip and vintage.

11-07-2008, 05:38 PM	#27
phish-on Apprentice Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: beaverton, or Posts: 73	irishrover-- Foster Sporting Goods. would this also have been known as "Dons tackle shop" or are you familiar with that name? the reason im asking is because my uncle was Don. His shop was on about 72nd and Foster till the late or maybe mid 70s.

11-07-2008, 08:26 PM	#30
Irishrover Apprentice Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Sandy Posts: 90	That must be the same one. The building on Harold was a smaller white building. Then if I remember right they moved to the old Safeway store building west of Freddy's. I left my Foster Sporting Goods book over at my place in Culver. I'm headed over there this weekend I'll bring it back and get the adress from it. Last edited by Irishrover : 11-08-2008 at 11:27 AM.

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