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  • 2 rod rules and sturgeon

    http://www.dfw.state.or.us/news/2016...rch/032916.asp

    I am trying to figure out if I could fish with two rods in the Willie or tributaries, and ONLY ONE be a sturgeon rod. So, one rod would be for sturgeon, the other, something weird like carp or catfish, or any sunfish. I called ODFW and they confirmed I could do that, but for some reason the guy was not that confident. Anyone has any insight into this, I would not want top break any rules, but the idea of one sturgeon pole and another for carp or cats sounds cool.

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    Two rods are generally allowed only in standing water bodies (lakes, ponds, reservoirs). Also authorized in some streams when specified. See zone regs. Read "Two-Rod Validation" described under General Statewide Regulations on pg. 14 of the 2017 regs. Fairly clear....I'm thinking the Willie is not a place for two rods even though you might be in possession of the Two-Rod Validation/Endorsement (unless of course ODFW gave you the OK in writing and you are carrying that authorization when you get checked). Cheers!

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    • #3
      I read all that and I agree with you, thats how it used to be, but did you read the link I posted above, that's from ODFW's website...

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      • #4
        "However, angling for sturgeon remains restricted to a single rod per angler." this sentence would make think it is not a good idea to try it. But yes you are correct about 2 rods being allowed for other species in the willamette and tributaries. Although the link you posted is from last year. I am almost certain they did it again this year.

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        • #5
          That's exactly what I asked the guy from ODW guy, and he confirmed that as long as ONE rod only is for sturgeon, then I am OK if the other rod is NOT. I agree with your take on it though, and thats why I called to ask. There's three names and phone numbers at the bottom of the link, I will call again tomorrow to triple check.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by cdumitru78
              I read all that and I agree with you, thats how it used to be, but did you read the link I posted above, that's from ODFW's website...
              Sorry.....no, I had not read the link. My bad. Sounds like the Willy and its tribs are game-on for two rods (an exception). I had not seen that. Guess I'd wanna really make sure though of what you are wanting to do. Sounds like we have the same vibe about it....not completely comfortable. Easy to understand why. Hope you get the go-ahead.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by cdumitru78 View Post
                That's exactly what I asked the guy from ODW guy, and he confirmed that as long as ONE rod only is for sturgeon, then I am OK if the other rod is NOT. I agree with your take on it though, and thats why I called to ask. There's three names and phone numbers at the bottom of the link, I will call again tomorrow to triple check.
                I believe that you got incorrect info, here is the 2017 Regulation update link for the Willamette:

                http://www.dfw.state.or.us/news/2017/03_mar/033017.asp

                it includes this: "Effective April 1 through July 31, 2017, anglers who have a two-rod validation will be able to use two rods while fishing in the Willamette River for all species except sturgeon. This includes salmon, steelhead, trout and warmwater species. Anglers fishing for sturgeon may use only one rod."

                that last sentence seems clear to me: if you are fishing for sturgeon, you can use only one rod.

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                • #9
                  Rules aside for a second, in my experience fishing the area I think you're fishing, I would personally never want to use two rods in that way. Sturgeon bite readily there on pretty much any bait you'd be throwing for catfish, carp etc, and so a large sturgeon could (and probably eventually would since there's so many in there) take either of your baits and run with it while you're preoccupied with the other rod. Why risk the harm to your gear or the fish when things go awry? Why not just be content fishing one bait, since there's such a variety of fish that can readily be caught with one rod? Unless you're eating fish out of there (yikes)...but I mean, isn't the point of the two-rod thing more about harvesting fish?

                  Oh wait, all of this is irrelevant since, as I've seen from a large percentage of folks out in that area, you can just use (now two rods apparently) with small barbed hooks and hook sturgeon all day long claiming to anyone who asks that you're fishing for catfish or carp.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by rogerdodger View Post

                    I believe that you got incorrect info, here is the 2017 Regulation update link for the Willamette:

                    http://www.dfw.state.or.us/news/2017/03_mar/033017.asp

                    it includes this: "Effective April 1 through July 31, 2017, anglers who have a two-rod validation will be able to use two rods while fishing in the Willamette River for all species except sturgeon. This includes salmon, steelhead, trout and warmwater species. Anglers fishing for sturgeon may use only one rod."

                    that last sentence seems clear to me: if you are fishing for sturgeon, you can use only one rod.
                    I agree with you, that's how I read it, I was curious... we called and asked DFW and they confirmed you can, they confirmed twice on two separate calls.

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                    • #11
                      Not sure I follow you... maybe you are sarcastic, or maybe I am misreading your reply. Since is a miserable Monday morning, assuming I am not reading it right.

                      I was thinking of simply playing around and maybe tossing spinners or some corn for carp, something crazy just for fun, but wanted to make sure I don't break any rules. Given that I get about roughly 3 fish per 5 hour outing and that sturgeon tend to bite deliberately and never seem to take the bait and run with it, I think I would not harm the fish or the rod. Heck, I've seen older guys that take 1 minute to walk from their chair to get their rod once sturgeon start nibbling, I think those guys are more likely to create a mess all around, but it seems to work out.

                      As far as your knowledge of the people that fish in that area, I think you might be wrong. Based on what I've seen in the 3 years that I've been going there everyone seems to be targeting sturgeon with barbless hooks and all fish are always released fast and unharmed, always catch and release. I am still yet to see one person doing what you're describing, although I am sure there are plenty of folks out there that do that, I would report those in a heartbeat.

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                      • #12
                        My take on that link is that it's temporary time period has expired. So unless you can find where it was reinstated for this year You'd be in violation and subject to being cited.
                        Even under that temporary rule change it reads as if using a second rod while sturgeon fishing would be a violation.
                        No mater how the second rod was rigged, there is always the chance you could get a sturgeon strike.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by plumbertom View Post
                          My take on that link is that it's temporary time period has expired. So unless you can find where it was reinstated for this year You'd be in violation and subject to being cited.
                          Even under that temporary rule change it reads as if using a second rod while sturgeon fishing would be a violation.
                          No mater how the second rod was rigged, there is always the chance you could get a sturgeon strike.
                          Yeah, no point in getting a violation, but I know they reinstated that for 2017, it is in the regs on their website. Most likely not worth the hassle and the risk, despite the fact that DFW is saying I could do it.

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